Help, from seasoned CM moms, please…

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  • TiffanyS
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    I’m a mom of two (baby & 7 yr old). We are in our 2nd yr of homeschooling. My son just turned seven, and we just finished All About Reading Level 1. I also read aloud to my son every day. However, we’ve also taken a few days off of AAR to do copywork and read from our Pathway Reader. My son loves the Pathway Reader stories, and they twaddle-free. AAR is okay as far as teaching reading fundamentals goes, but the stories for children to read aloud can be silly. My son is building words, and readiding at a beginner level. I’d love to hear wisdom from some of the seasoned CM moms . What does/did your reading time look like for this stage? How much time do you spend on word building, children reading aloud, etc…. What CM or SCM materials do you recommend and love? We love our SCM products for Art, Bible, Geog, & History. I’d like to move toward more of a CM approach for LA. I’m just apprehensive about where to start.

    Tristan
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    Hi Tiffany! You will probably get quite varied answers to this question. I’ll share some of what I’ve done over the years. I am currently teaching children #5 and #6 to read (one is 7, turning 8 this month, the other is 6). I’ll get to those, but let me share about each child in order.

    Child #1 – we focused on learning letter sounds with a ‘letter of the week’ starting around age 3.5. Really, it was just a way for me to choose a theme each week for books to look at together and things to learn about. So if it was letter F week we might focus on frogs, fish, flowers, etc and our library book basket would be filled with things beginning with that letter. We would practice the sound, as well as any other letter sounds she had learned. After doing all the letters we started on consonant teams, vowel teams, etc. She made the leap to chapter books around age 6.5. No formal curriculum along the way.

    Child #2 – He had zero interest in learning what sound each letter says until he was about 6. So we just waited. Around 6 we began daily phonic practice, short but consistent. He read his first chapter book around age 8.5.

    Child #3 – She was learning her letter sounds along with Child #2. She is just a year younger than him and so when she started she was 5 and she moved to chapter books the same time he did, so she was 7.5.  Again, no formal curriculum. We tried a few different things here and there with these two but basic phonics was best.

    Child #4 – He is 2 years younger than Child #3. He taught himself to read chapter books completely on his own at age 3.5. He walked up to me one day and just started reading a book to me. This was 6 months before the two kids just older than him started learning their first letter sounds. (See what I mean about every child is different?)

    Child #5 – When he was ready to learn to read I had 8 children and was pregnant with #9. I decided to invest in All About Reading so I could literally open it and not have to think about what to teach next. I like the activity pages, we keep them in a notebook so he could pull them out to do over and over. We didn’t worry about doing 1 lesson per week, just moved ahead when he grasped a concept and hung out for weeks when he didn’t. He is halfway through AAR2. We put it on hold January 1st so he could spend a month reading aloud to me from ‘regular books’ like Green Eggs and Ham, Little Bear, and Frog and Toad. Here we are February 10th and he’s still just reading aloud to me and has progressed so far. He’s picked up a lot of vowel teams that he hasn’t learned yet with AAR. I think of ARR as a tool to keep us moving forward until they can read from more books, like the pathway readers. If you like those then enjoy them!

    Child #6 – He is 6 years old and spend the fall learning what each letter says. In January he decided he could read CVC words so he just started. We pulled out AAR1 about 2 weeks ago but haven’t used the lessons, just the activity pages from when his brother used it. He picks one each day and reads the words/does the activity. I need to flip through the book and decide what lesson to jump to for him. 😉

    Child #7 just turned 5 last month. He knows some of his letter sounds and has started asking to learn to read, so I will be offering some letter sound games soon.

    Child #8 is 3 years old and knows almost all the letter sounds already. I’m ignoring it until he asks for reading lessons. LOL. Maybe I’ll get lucky and he will teach himself like child #4 did. Who knows?

    Child #9 is just a year old. We have just convinced him that books are for looking at and not eating.

    HollyS
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    Tiffany, here is what I’ve done with my DC.  I spend 10-15 minutes with them, 3-5 days per week on phonics.  I’ve had some progress through this list quickly and some take longer.

    1. Learn letter sounds
    2. Introduce blending, focusing on CVC words
    3. Begin McGuffey Primer, introducing phonetic combinations as they come up
    4. Continue with McGuffey First Reader and alternate with other easy reader books like Frog and Toad or Christian Liberty Press Nature Readers
    5. After 2nd or 3rd grade, I have them read aloud once a week or so.

    I really don’t think the actual program you use is very important as there are many good options.  I’m not a fan of ones that teach every last phonics rule (like Spaulding).  In addition, you just need copywork at this age for a complete language arts.

    For other subjects, I love the free curriculum guide on here.  I sometimes plug in our own materials, and often go with SCM’s recommendations.  There are also helpful articles and videos in the SCM Learning Library.  When starting with CM methods, it’s generally best to slowly add in the subjects, waiting a week or two before adding another.

    TiffanyS
    Participant

    Thank you Tristan & Holly! I’m soaking up the suggestions you given me! And, the wisdom for our journey!

    Tristan, I identify with the feeling of needing something to open-up and teach. We had a baby last year, and at one month-old our baby had major surgery. It was an emotional, hard year. We only made it through with God and prayer! I felt like I needed AAR to have a daily guide. But going forward, the idea of using it as a, “tool” resonates with me, as we use various readers. I loved reading how each of your children learned, and are learning to read … each on their own journey. That’s what I love about CM methods, no mold to fit into! I’m inspired to just go with what works for my son. But, with purpose. Thank you so much for sharing your wisdom and journey! I’m glad child #9 isn’t tasting the books. Lol.

    Holly, I love your gentle flow of the introduction to phonics and reading. I agree with not liking curriculum that teaches every last bit of grammar. I’ve seen my son learn more grammar through reading versus via curriculum. Once upon a time we tried a Perfect Paula phonics program, before our CM days, and if we had continued down that path – my son would probably hate reading …  It was not for us!  I’m going to get Frog & Toad to add to our Pathway Readers, and also check out the Christian Liberty Nature Readers. I’ll look at these other SCM resources,  too. Thank you so much for your time & sharing wisdom.

    Grateful to this SCM mom community, here!

    TiffanyS
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    When did you all know that your children were ready for formal spelling? Did you use Spelling Wisdom?

    HollyS
    Participant

    For spelling, SCM recommends copywork for grades 1-2, and starting SW for grade three.  Using Language Well gives some gentle grammar lessons alongside SW.   I have three children using SW and they’ve done very well with it.  We all greatly prefer it over traditional spelling workbooks.  My oldest is a natural speller, and the next two oldest are not.  I saw wonderful improvements with my 2nd oldest, and I’m confident my 3rd child will also improve with a bit more time.

    Tristan
    Participant

    I don’t do formal spelling until a child has been reading well for several years.  I feel that after a child has been reading well for several years they will have seen many words correctly spelled over and over. Many will naturally begin to correct their spelling at this point because they remember the word’s spelling without formal work. Then we address the words and spelling rules they have not internalized on their own. Before that we do copywork as Holly described, and we have used Spelling Wisdom for copywork/dictation from 4th grade.

    Some children do not naturally begin to self correct their spelling even with several years of reading well. These are the ones I use a formal spelling program with. As an example, Joseph is in 6th grade and has not naturally corrected his spelling, so we’re doing direct instruction. Emma is in 5th and has been reading the same amount of time as Joseph and we noticed a large improvement in her spelling about 6 months ago (not quite age 10, and she had been reading well for almost 3 years at that point).

    Monica
    Participant

    Tristan, what do you use for a “formal” spelling program?  I’ve been doing copywork/dictation with my 5th grader, and he is not naturally learning to spell.

    Karen Smith
    Moderator

    The Natural Progression of Language Arts video in our Learning Library should help you get the big picture of teaching language arts using Charlotte Mason’s methods.

    To clarify our recommendation for using Spelling Wisdom starting in grade 3, that would be using it for transcription, gradually transitioning to dictation. Keep in mind that each Spelling Wisdom book is two years worth of transcription/dictation exercises. Using Spelling Wisdom 1 with Using Language Well 1 will guide you in transitioning your child from transcription to dictation.

    Before your child is ready for dictation, use copywork to train him to look carefully at each word he is copying. Occasionally, tell him before he does his copywork that you will be choosing one word for him to spell after he completes his copying. Choose a word that you think he will be successful spelling. Ask him to spell it orally. If he struggles, allow him to look at the word. Don’t allow him to guess as that will only make spelling that word harder for him in the future because he will struggle with remembering which of his guesses was the correct spelling.

    Ruralmama
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    I used AAR 1 almost all the way through and did not really like the stories. We also had gone a not too fast. I thought about repeating it but like I said I didn’t love the stories and D’s hated the fluency sheets. I really liked the Christian Light readers so I decided to have ds read them. I also got the tracts manual and light units. I did not use the first 3 light units at all. We just read a story and did phrase cards and word cards. I had really liked AAR’s word cards and methods though. So I did the lesson more like an AAR lesson with phonogram and word card review. I made my own word cards using their list in the teachers book and adding in more phonetic words that used all known sounds. A good source for these is the bookmarks in the light units and The ABCs and all their tricks. We don’t try to do a whole lesson in a day spending 2-4 days on a lesson going on when ds can read the stories with at least some fluency. I also never do all the busy work in the light unit but the bookmarks are not overwhelming to him and we use these like fluency sheets along with the phrase cards.

    Just the other day he commented on how nice the little girl in his story was:)

    TiffanyS
    Participant

    Thank you all (Holly, Tristan, Karen & Roslyn). I appreciate the advice, suggestions and your explanations of when and how to teach formal spelling. I will wait until at least third grade, and then try Spelling Wisdom and Using Language Well. I’m looking forward to seeing these in person at the SCM booth in Nashville at Teach Them Diligently in March. Thanks, again! Karen, I love the tip you gave! Telling a child that they will be asked to spell one word from copywork is brilliant!

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