enforcing chores

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  • amypixie
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    I am just at a loss anymore as to how I can get my 9 yo to do his chores consistently without putting them off, moaning, or being confrontational. I don’t feel like he has a lot to do. He has to keep his room tidy like most kids. On Mondays he has to dust and Tuesdays is vacuuming. Then he has to do dishes once a day after dinner. This is the one he complains about the most….oh, and then there is the not wanting to take a shower and dragging that out.

    How do you train a child in a habit if they just downright refuse to do it? Then what? What is the appropriate punishment? Or should I be offering incentive instead? He gets an allowance but not if he doesn’t do anything. On the same token I don’t want him to think that means he doesn’t have to do chores at all. I’m just exasperated and not sure how to proceed. Some of this spills into his attitude toward schoolwork as well….lots of complaining and procrastinating with pretty much everything.Frown

    CindyS
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    I think for most of us the most difficult thing is consistency. The calm enforcement of consequences is a challenge for me because I do not want my children to fail, which results in nagging. I also do not want my day impacted negatively due to their procrastination. However, I should have put that expectation on the shelf with baby number 1!!!

    Having said that, we typically use the ‘first this, and then that…’ sort of reasoning. Morning chores then breakfast (or no breakfast if the chores are not done by breakfast time). Ditto lunch. No free time until such and such is done. Chores done with a stinky attitude results in me very cheerfully saying, “I can tell that was difficult on you to do that with a cheerful spirit. So, let’s try again with an extra chore.”

    School work not completed becomes homework. This has eluded us in the past due to busy schedules, but I would urge us to not fall into the trap of changing the assignment when our children do not complete something. In other words, letting them off the hook because homeschoolers are supposed to be flexible, right? We did this with our oldest more than I would like to admit and he will tell you himself that he really struggles with initiative and follow-through.

    Blessings,

    Cindy

    amypixie
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    Yeah, see I also typically do the “no breakfast until dishes are done” if he puts them off the night before. I swear, this kid will drag it out as long as he possibly can or argue his way out of it and then everybody else suffers from it.

    I feel like I am consistent at reminding him to do these things at the same time but he is just as consistent with refusing and being dramatic about it. On a good day he will whine and complain for 30 min. to an hour before just doing it and getting it over with…On a bad night like tonight he will throw a tantrum, run off in tears, and just not do it at all regardless of what I say or threaten. Laying in his bed with his dirty clothes on and no shower seems to be no bother to him just so he can get out of what he has to do…sigh…

    CindyS
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    Well, you just need to outlast him on these things. Then there is the outright disobedience that you will deal with in the fashion that you and our husband have decided upon.

    I know it’s so easy for others to sit on the sidelines and say, ‘just do it!’ But I also know how it is in the trenches and it can feel so cloudy and overwhelming at times. That is the enemy trying to make us ineffective and doubt our abilities to train up these children.

    Your love for your son is evident in your desire to train him. He will be so thankful that he had a mom that was willing to stick with him and even seek help when needed. Pray, pray, pray that God will not allow you to grow weary in well-doing. Ask your husband to help keep you accountable, as well.

    I will pray for you today!

    Blessings,

    Cindy

    Misty
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    I feel the same way sometimes.  My biggest issue isn’t that my children will not do there chores as they usually will go off to do them it’s how it’s done.  Like washing table and counters for my 12 yr old is a night mare.  I have to remind him 3-4 times a meal that it’s not done right.

    I would love suggestions for that one to.  Willing to do but just doesn’t care how.  Thanks

    CindyS
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    Teaching our children to do things in an excellent fashion is a good time to teach a lesson on Creation. God did not put us together in a slipshod sort of way. Since we are created in His image, we can show that part of his character in how we do things. In a practical way, I will typically ‘up the ante’ on poor work. If a child is to clear the stairs for instance and they do not complete it, the next step is to also vacuum them, for instance. Wiping the counters turns into clearing and bleaching off the stains. That sort of thing.

    Rene
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    Chores have finally become a success in my home after we started using chore packs over a year ago.  The kids know exactly what they are to do because they are wearing the chore cards, and we have two specified chore times each day – after breakfast and after dinner – when we all are busy working together.  I also had to be consistent in checking their chores right after chore time to make sure it was not only being done, but being done right. 

    After more than a year now I check the chores only occasionally, to make sure they are still on track.  It’s become such a habit now that chores are no longer a hated burden, most of the time they are done within 20 minutes.  I rotate the chores every 4 months and they are always excited about finally getting to do something new and different.

    Yeah, see I also typically do the “no breakfast until dishes are done” if he puts them off the night before. I swear, this kid will drag it out as long as he possibly can or argue his way out of it and then everybody else suffers from it.

    Personally, I would not let him go to bed without the dinner dishes being done.  I don’t think that the threat of having to finally do them the next morning before breakfast is really going to motivate him to do them the night before.  It’s not enough of an immediate consequence. 

    My biggest issue isn’t that my children will not do there chores as they usually will go off to do them it’s how it’s done.  Like washing table and counters for my 12 yr old is a night mare.  I have to remind him 3-4 times a meal that it’s not done right.

    I would love suggestions for that one to.  Willing to do but just doesn’t care how.  Thanks

    I have one child in particular that tries to get away with quick, shoddy work.  When we do new chores I know it will take a couple of weeks for me to train how I want them done, and then I must check them occasionally to make sure they are being done.  I have them redo a chore that was not done properly.  Once they know they won’t get away with it and are actually causing more work for themself by doing it half-hearted in the first place the start paying more attention and doing it right. 

    amypixie
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    Cindy, I really appreciate your words of wisdom. I too have felt like I should be “outlasting” him but then I wonder if I am being too cruel or battling his ego with mine so to speak. I’ve also questioned if my complaining about something not done right is nagging or too nitpicky.

    Rene, I like your idea of not letting him go to bed until the dishes are done. I just don’t know how to enforce it! If the kid runs upstairs and lands in his bed crying, what do I do? Physically pull him out of the bed? I just feel like there is no way to deal with this without it getting physical and ugly. That is where I was headed last night so I left him in the bed, sat down to calm myself, and decided I would wait until I saw my husband in the morning to talk about it.

    I’ve been trying to think of consequences but honestly, I’m at a loss. We don’t have a tv or video games. He doesn’t really play with toys that much anymore. He likes to read but is it fair for me to take away reading as a punishment? He does have a coin collection and likes to go outside but I know this kid. If I tell him he can’t go outside he will just sit in his room and sulk or draw or do something else. He is ready for the longhaul fight if you know what I mean. I feel like nothing short of solitary confinement in a padded room would break his will.

    Oh, and tell me more about these chore charts. One of the problems is that he is resentful that the 4 yo doesn’t have the same chores he does. Hello, she is four and can’t even reach the kitchen counter! She does have to tidy her room as well and I fear that his bad behavior will rub off on her when she gets older. So I don’t have chores to “rotate” although he really, really hates doing dishes. I don’t want to give in to all of his requests but perhaps rotating would help.

    Treasure House
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    Oh, chores & habits….in our family this is one area we’ve REALLY had to work on.  I’ve found that when I’ve given my boys too large of a chore, they usually have a meltdown.  Even if it doesn’t seem to be that big of a deal to me.  I forget that these chores are new to them and seem overwhelming.  But, if I can break the chore up into manageable pieces, they seem to cooperate much better.  For example, in the beginning when I assigned dishes to them, they would completely lose it, so I gave each boy a portion of the dishes that was their responsibility, and I also took a portion that was my responsibility. After each meal they know what to load into the dishwasher and what to put up.  What a difference this has made!  Everyone has become very quick and efficient with their portion and NO complaints.  Because I gradually gave them responsibilities and they became habits, they now can load and unload the dishwasher – even taking on someone else’s area of responsibility when needed, and it doesn’t overwhelm them.  I now am trying to add this philosophy to other chores and responsibilities…..sigh…..I do wish habits could be done all at once!

    Could this be what is going on with your son?  Could you break the chore down into smaller pieces, with the expectation of perfect execution and obedience?  It could turn your son’s heart to your’s, if he sees you helping him with this, maybe giving him the desire to take initiative.  I feel your angst in this trying area of motherhood.  Every child is different and every stage is different, so finding the right balance is challenging, but you know your son best. You’ll find what’s best for your family.

    amypixie
    Member

    Thanks for this suggestion. I do think he is overwhelmed by dishes and perhaps I could do a portion myself or at least do them more frequently throughout the day to make his load lighter.

    ruth
    Participant

    Managers of thier Chores has the chore packs and help for enforcing chores.  You mentioned he had no problem lying on the bed without showering or changing.  You could just say something like “You cannot lie on the bed dirty.”  If he refuses to take a shower tell him he can’t sit or lie down until he is clean.  He will just have to stand there until he takes a shower.  In this way it is just uncomfortable for him and on his own he will chose to shower just so he can sit down.  Out lasting is more about making them choose for themselves that to do the chore will be less bothersome than the consiquence.  You just have to enforce the consiquence.  And make sure he knows what is expected and the consiquences before you start so he knows and it is his choice.  Then he can only blame himself for any unpleseantness. 

    Sometimes we forget to take the time to teach the children what we expect from them.  Take the time to show him what you expect and be with him the first couple of times so you can monitor how he is doing.  With my son just being in the same room with him helps him do his chores.  Once his is good and comfident you can start leaving to do other things.  HTH

    Rene
    Participant

    Oh, and tell me more about these chore charts. One of the problems is that he is resentful that the 4 yo doesn’t have the same chores he does. Hello, she is four and can’t even reach the kitchen counter! She does have to tidy her room as well and I fear that his bad behavior will rub off on her when she gets older. So I don’t have chores to “rotate” although he really, really hates doing dishes. I don’t want to give in to all of his requests but perhaps rotating would help.

    I use the chore pack system by the Maxwells.  Their book was very valuable to me in helping see just how important chores are for my children.  I knew in my mind they were important and good (I remember wishing I had chores as a child because my cousin did) but I couldn’t figure out how to organize it and I didn’t want to feel like an ogre mom who treated my kids like slaves.  About a year before I started doing Chore Packs a friend found out that I was doing all the cooking and cleaning and my 3 daughters would run off to play after dinner while I spent the next 2 or 3 hours cleaning the kitchen and doing those nightly routine things myself.  She helped me to at least get them involved in cleaning the kitchen – one child emptied the dishwasher, one swept, and another cleaned the table and stove.  I then refilled the dishwasher. 

    At first I was afraid to have one child do the whole dishwasher or fold a whole load of laundry alone, so I broke those chores down so that all three of them were trying to empty the dishwasher together.  It was a step in the right direction but I soon realized it was too chaotic.

    Basically I sat down and wrote out what things were frustrating to me – what was I constantly doing day after day that I could use some help on?  And what were skills that the girls needed to learn?  Things like making ice or filling the water filter.  The girls were using the water and ice like crazy but never refilling them – when I wanted ice for a drink, or water to cook with the supply was always low.  So I added those to my list.  I wanted them to know how to do laundry so that went on the list.  One daughter has a morning chore of starting the laundry – I usually put it in the dryer around lunchtime.  They all put away any clothes they have at their night chore time, and a different daughter will fold a load of towels. 

    What I have noticed with my girls, is that the two whom I started letting “help” me clean when they were toddlers, are the two who had an easier time with getting into the chore grove.  With my oldest, I never let her help because it was just easier to do it myself and get it done faster.  I knew she really needed to help but I didnt’ have the future in mind very much.  With my other two I had relaxed a lot.  My oldest has had a long way to go in having a better attitude about chores but she is great now. 

    I do think he is overwhelmed by dishes and perhaps I could do a portion myself or at least do them more frequently throughout the day to make his load lighter.

    Personally, I HATE doing dishes myself.  I have a dishwasher now but for many years I didn’t and last year there was a period of about two months were we was without one before some friends gave us their old one.  If it was me I’d make this something I did together with my chid.  He could wash and you dry, or vise versa, or swap every night.  This is what my girls and I did last year.  We all worked together. I would tell the girls – I don’t want to be doing this either, but it has to be done so lets do it together, work hard and fast and then we can relax and play.  Laughing  Strangley enough, my youngest, who is 9, LOVES handwashing the dishes now.  She would be thrilled if the dishwasher ever broke again.

    4myboys
    Participant

    Washing dishes alone is never fun, so I will agree that sharing this chore will probably go a long way in improving his attitude.  if he feels his little sister (and everyone else) is going off and enjoying themselves and he is stuck slaving away in the kitchen then naturally he will rebel.  You could also use this time as one-on-one time.  Talk to him about things he’s interested in.  He’ll love the undivided attention.  When you’re finished, thank him for helping you out and for spending the time with you.  You might find he looks forward to doing it.  As for the refusing to shower — I’m still working on that one.  My son loves to be read to at night, so I will refuse to read to him unless he is showered before bed.

    Sue
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    @Rene:

    How old are your children? I’m asking because I think the chore-paks sound like a good idea, but I don’t know if my kids would willingly wear them. They are 13, 12, and nearly 11. (Okay, the almost-11yo is the bubbly, fun-loving type who would probably get a kick out of having a “chore necklace” but the others….)

    I really know deep down that I cannot afford to purchase the chore-paks (maybe the book is available at the library? don’t know yet), so I might be wasting my time even considering them, but we sure need to organize chores better and improve attitudes towards doing them. Our home is a mess! We moved in with my elderly father almost 5 years ago, and at that time, he had so many piles of stuff on the couch, the kitchen table & counters, the beds & dressers….it wasn’t quite as bad as those shows about hoarders, but dangerously close. Fortunately, he eats out every meal since my mom died in ’96, so there weren’t half-empty food containers lying around open, but my sister and brother-in-law had to do a lot to help before we could move in.

    I started off thinking that I could just keep the areas we used “clean” and not worry so much about being “tidy,” but now most of the time I feel like it’s not even “clean.” That’s a gross feeling, but I can’t do everything all by myself. I like the way the Pearls (of No Greater Joy) put it in one of their books–they said something to the effect that a houseful of Amish 7-year olds would be able to keep the house running properly. Of course, we’re not Amish, but I’ve occasionally thought of sending our whole family to a self-imposed “boot camp” and spending the summer with an Amish family, LOL. Boy, I’ll be we’d come back a changed bunch!

    If anybody has any ideas of similar resources that are available, I’d appreciate hearing about them.

    MamaWebb
    Participant

    I would like to chime in with some of the other posters.  i would bet that it is a combination of two things: 1) he’s gotten away with not HAVING to do it right away, all the way, with a joyful heart.  2) He’s probably totally overwhelmed.  i often feel overwhelmed by the dishes myself!  I realized for me, often having my kids do chores was almost a selfish thing; i didn’t want to do that job either.  Then attended a lecture by Susan Kemmerer at the CHAP convention.  it was titled, “Servanthood 101: Teaching Kids to Serve.”  And it was basically a lecture about OUR spirits, OUR attitudes of service.  All I could think was, UGH.  SHe was so real.  She has this lecture as a chapter in her AMAZING book called: Homeschool SuperMOM…NOT!  I highly recommed it.  But what I gleaned from it was this:  Jesus never sent his disciples out without training or doing the job right BY THEIR SIDES.  Application:  can you share the job with him, help him so to speak, training him gently?  Perhaps even breaking the job into steps, post it on a piece of card stock at the job site, so he can see the “pieces” of the job, would help?  Maybe it could be a bit of special time together?  

    As for his attitude and obedience, I really really understand this one – finding appropriate consequences is so hard.  I struggle with the same thing with my 9 yo son.  Perhaps some of Raising Godly Tomatoes would help?  Keeping him “staked” might allow you a closer insight into times when his attitude descends into the depths?  Perhaps, if you’re a believer, you could discuss Scripture with him, showing him how this points to his need for a savior?  Some kids respond really well to a timer with with an incentive at the end?  I’ve also seen other parents have great success with training first time obedience with a game.  The parent sits with a bag of M & M’s or skitttles or the like.  THey give wacky and silly directions, increasing the complexity over time.  Each time the direction is followed, they get one or two candies.  It’s a fun thing, but habits are being built.  Then move to noticing when a child might be doing something else, and then calling them or giving a direction, and if they obey, they get an unexpected reward of candy or whatever.   

    Perhaps another thing is leveling with your son. Explaining how hard it is when everyone doesn’t work as a team.  Explain that not all job are easy or fun.  But, we need to do them anyway.  Explain that you don’t wear his clothes, but you love him, so you wash them anyway, etc…and then tell him you understand that it’s hard, so you want to give him incentive to get it done – so maybe he earns a  pebble for doing each job done promptly, obediently.  Perhaps another pebble could be earned for doing the job until it’s done.  When he earns “X” number of pebbles, he and you or the whole family get to do something special together, to celebrate teamwork?

    Also, I would look for other chores that are managable for your 4yo dd.  Dusting is manageable, folding washcloths and dishtowels, feeding a pet, scooping up toys to put back into a bin, etc.  It will make it feel more like a team for your son.  I know my kids feel so much better when they see a list and I am listed on it too, so they know we all have a part to play, you know?  

    Hope this helps,

    Amy

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