writting and grammer

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  • jill smith
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    I have few questions on writting and grammer. My daughter is going to be 9 in a week and isn’t writting on her own very well. Just wondered when I should start written narrationand spelling wisdom with her. She does do copy work but really doesn’t enjoynit. Secondly, when do I introduce grammer? I certainly don’t want to over load her. What all should she be doing at this age? This is the temporary schedule: Math-u-see gamma, copy work for little girls, queens language lessons, outdoor secrets, lots of reading, Mcduffy reader, History Rome ( sitting in with the rest of the siblings). Is this to much for her? I am also starting FIAR with my 6 yr old this year with some hand writting. I appreciate all your information.

    Thanks

    LindseyD
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    Can she narrate well orally? If so, I think you can start written narrations with her. 

    Is writing difficult for her, as in, letter formation, holding her pencil, etc., is a physically difficult task? Or is it just that she has difficulty putting her thoughts into writing? If the latter is the case, I think written narration can actually help with that because it will provide her lots of practice. 

    You don’t want to overwhelm her by starting all these language arts at once, so you might be better off to stagger introducing them. I was in a similar situation a while back. Here is the thread: http://simplycharlottemason.com/scmforum/topic/language-arts-for-dd9too-much-too-soon

    I went ahead and started written narrations w/ my dd8 this year. She has done very well! At the beginning of next year, I will introduce Spelling Wisdom and prepared dictation and give that time to settle in. In Term 2 or 3, I will start grammar with her. I’ll be using JAG since it’s not a year-long program; I can do it in one term and don’t have to be pressured into finishing it in one term if I begin it in Term 2 and it carries over into Term 3.

    Don’t be shocked if written narration takes her a while to get accustomed to. Some days my dd writes just 2-3 sentences; other days, like yesterday, she fills more than a page. 

    One other thought: can she type? My ds hates dictation, but typing makes it more bearable for him. If she can type, she might be more open to dictation when the time comes since she really doesn’t enjoy writing. I don’t let him type his narrations just yet because he’s still fine with writing them.

    Hope that helps some!

    jill smith
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    Lindsey,

    SHe can write her letters fine, she just can’t spell very well yet. She is doing better in reading but slower at the spelling part. Thats why I wasn’t sure about written nattation yet? What if she misspells words? Do I correct them or just leave it. What is JAG? She does do copywork, but hates it. I did get her the Queens for girls so that helped a little. There is realy no rush in language arts is there? Can I hold off until she is 10 or is that to late in the game?

    Yes, she can type but very slow. I guess my big hang up is the spelling.

    Thanks for your help.:)

    I just need to know what to purchase for next year already. I hate to procrastinate on it.

    pangit
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    Here is a link to the old SCM curriculum guide: http://simplycharlottemason.com/planning/curriculum-guide/old-scmguide/  It recommends Oral and written composition; spelling; English grammar start in 4th grade or above.  I don’t think that you will be ‘causing her an harm if you don’t think she is ready.  Work into it.  JAG is Jr. Analytical Grammar, it is recommended for 4th/5th grade.  My DD will be 5th this next year and I am still deciding on whether or not to start any of those.  Analytical Grammar is suggested to be used for 6th grade or older.  It is designed to be completed in a year or spread out over 2 or 3 years.  So, there is no need to rush for that.  I think the Queen’s copywork will be good because she will be copying proper sentences and proper spelling.  Keep her reading and it will help, too.   If you don’t think she is ready for Spelling Wisdom maybe just watch for words that she is misspelling frequently.  Then, make a list of those words to work on until she has them mastered and then choose some others to work on.  I am looking at Brave Writer’s “The Writer’s Jungle” and thinking about introducing it for writing.   But, like all other aspects of my planning, I am not sure yet.  I hope that was of some help to you.

    LindseyD
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    My dd doesn’t spell super well either. Occasionally, she’ll ask how to spell a word when she’s doing a written narration; other times, she doesn’t. I help her with spelling when she asks, but ultimately, spelling isn’t my goal with written narration. Learning to put her thoughts on paper and planning her writing is my goal, so that’s my focus. I don’t think good spelling skills are necessary to begin compositions; that naturally comes later. Here is an example of her written narration from last week, Caddie Woodlawn chapter 14:

    the kids at shckool were exieded to see the scalp belt. But just then Caddie saw some boys that missed there INDIAN MOM! So after shckool Caddie took the boys to the store & boght (she was buying some candy & tops & combs & hankies) (hankerchifs).

    As you can see, her spelling, capitalization, punctuation, use of the ampersand and parenthesis is a little crazy. After I read her narrations, I might mention, “See how this word is at the beginning of the sentence? Those words should always begin with a capital letter. Let’s try to remember that next time.” But that is about as far as I go with critiquing her narrations. My dd is easily discouraged, especially when she is learning something new, and I don’t want to discourage her at all. She does give her best effort, and that is all I can ask for. I also can’t expect her to be a perfect speller or know correct punctuation for everything, as these are things she has not yet been taught!

    You are right: there is NO reason to rush language arts, especially grammar. She may never enjoy copywork, but that shouldn’t keep you from gently introducing new skills, such as written narration or dictation. If I were you, I’d pick one thing and introduce it. Give it several months and really let her get comfortable with it before you introduce something else. That’s why I went ahead and started my dd on written narrations this year. She will have had months of experience under her belt by the time we start school next year, and that’s when I plan to start her in dictation. 

    The spelling will come eventually. The more she reads, she’ll see words spelled correctly and pick them up. The more she does copywork, she’ll be copying correct spelling and pick it up naturally. I’m just not a fan of marking up written narrations with a red pen for a child who’s just beginning. If my dd were in high school and consistently doing a narration like the one I used above, well then, I didn’t do my job and we’d have a problem. But she’s about to be 9 and just getting started.

    Don’t get hung up on anything! Relax and go slowly and gently. It’ll come!

    ETA: As far as what to buy, I personally don’t think your dd is quite ready for a grammar program just yet. And if you do dictation with her at all, I would wait until she’s had some time to learn how to write her narrations. Of course, you’re the mom and the best person to decide. Just don’t feel pressured to start something now that you don’t think she’s quite ready for. I’m of the “later is better” approach to just about everything.

    jill smith
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    So Lindsey what would be your suggestion for school for her? I am about ready to throw in the towel. Struggling alot lately with making sure they have everything they need. Queen’s no Queen’s Cm or no Cm. I can’t getmy older boys to do written narration.

    This is what I have so far for her:

    Math

    science outdoor secrets? it seems a little young, but have a 6yr old also

    history cm Rome

    copywork

    nattation.

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