What's Going On Here?

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  • amandajhilburn
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    Hello everyone! It’s been a long time since I’ve been here and hope you are all doing well 🙂 I have something that I need help pondering. I’ve blogged about it (narrated it) to try to help myself think this through, but I’m still not sure…….

    It’s almost time for us to start back with our book work, and I’ve been trying to consolidate my love for CM ideals with my experience and observation of my children’s excitement and voraciousness when it comes to topics of their interest. In the past we’ve had CM “school time” and then they would use their afternoons to learn and dig and create things that interested them. However, our “school time” has turned into a not so pleasant time for us all.  Just the word school makes them cringe and you can see it in their posture, attitude, and whole being. They just don’t love learning what I choose for them to learn and it’s been this way for a long time. However, when they are learning things of their choosing, their entire outlook changes. I have even been able to assign some things to go along with their interests that they gladly did. (They are ages 12 & 13 now) Old books are an instant turn off for them both, so I have a hard time keeping their attention when I try to read to them from classics or have them read them. I’m just really not sure what to do at this point.

    Is this a habit issue? I don’t think so…they really aren’t badly behaved children otherwise.

    Should I try to follow their interests more? I don’t want to allow them to dictate what they learn…..and I don’t agree with most of the unschooling philosophy. 

    Any advice would be greatly appreciated 🙂

    Wings2fly
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    Hello Amanda. Missed you. I wonder if urthemom.com and Joann’s Self-Propelled Advantage book would help. You can use CM methods but it helps the children be more independent and succeed with self-learning, with your help.

    poodlemama
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    It is so frustrating when you and your kids are on a different page. I know I’ve been there a time or two. And it wasn’t that they we rebelling or being disobedient, there was just a lack of spark, or lack of enjoyment. I don’t know what the answer is, but I can tell you what we have done when the doldrums set in. My thinking is that it is the kids education and I want them to own it as much as possible. The last time we hit the doldrums I let the kids do their own thing for a while. But it was far from unschooling! They had to come up with a full proposal of what they would be doing. It had to include some form of writing, some form of teaching others what you learned ( one kid made a game with written instructions, one made a poster and one wrote a book). They also had to list questions about their chosen topic, what resources they needed, how much it would cost and how long it would take. ( math and grammar/ spelling are not negotiable– I pick and schedule those). The kids learned a lot, put a lot of energy and effort into their projects– and within 6 weeks were ready to come back to a more Charlotte Mason type daily plan. Sometimes we just need a little shake up. 12 years is a long time. Good luck in whatever you choose, and remember nothing is set in stone.

    amandajhilburn
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    Thank you both for your input 🙂 Wings2fly, we tried a more independent schedule last year and it didn’t work well for any of us. I felt totally disconnected from them. I have been trying to get their input some and thought that maybe some interest led freedom might help but I don’t want to totally give them the reins.

    Claire
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    Hey Amanda!  I’ve been where you are many times it seems.  I’ve wondered too why I was being so insistant on a CM type of daily schedule in the first place.  I’ve experienced those same postures and hesitations toward our lessons.  My kids love to learn.  They are generally very well behaved.  They spend their time a lot like you describe your kids spending theirs.  It’s not a habit issue here either.  There is something about the freedom of homeschooling and then the application of lessons and a schedule that don’t always jive.  When we got to the ages you are at now (mine are almost 12 and almost 14) and maybe a little younger it got worse.  Middle school.  When suddenly it wasn’t all fun and games or exposure and they really had to learn material that would be building on more material.  (Not that elementary is not serious and not that they are not learning a ton then but face it everyone elementary school of any type is a lot different and precieved by children as easier)  I wish I had an answer and I’m shocked more folks have not mentioned this transition. 

    I have one child who really loves structure and set expectations.  I have another who is fine without those things.  That dynamic often seems to play in to this other issue of “school/lessons” learning and “just learning” and I hate it.  It’s really tough for me to keep up an energetic, vivacious, enthusiastic demeanor when faced with their sort of regret that it’s a school day.  I can’t unschool either entirely.  I have no idea why I’d be home and sacrificing the way we are for them to unschool.  And where does that leave them at graduation?  I’m over simplifying it in those statements but that’s essentially how unschooling feels to me.  I used to be one who thought that unschooling and CM had a place at the same table.  I still think they are compatible, but only at the elementary levels.

    So, I have simply kept at it.  I try to keep the scheduling and over structuring to a limit.  I try to point out that we are learning in every activity we do all day.  I try to make things even more interesting, and maybe the most important thing I’ve done is to say: “Ok, how will you get in to college?  Becaue you can’t live here forever.  You won’t want to.  How will you be a productive and positive member of society?  Lets look at college entrance requirements.”  Suddenly they see that simply doing what they want in a bubble all day won’t translate to the actual skills they need to do what they want in life.  So, our days now are spent with a good deal of focus and mindfulness of “Where am I going?  What do I want to do?”  Goal setting … I guess.  Seems young but it’s helping to counter this apathy toward a CM daily schedule. 

    Last advice/comment … the LESS your day and week look scheduled and lessoned to death, the better they react.  That has been my challenge here.  How to integrate, or hide even, the lessons that are getting done.  Because the subjects are ones they love and would inquire of themselves on their own time.  Not all, but most are.  That and being alert to show them the subjects alive in the world around them … so they see it’s not worthless information, useless skills, etc.  Not that they say or think that but it helps none the less to emphasize it. 

    HTH

    Claire
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    I’m sorry to sound these days and in every post that there is the gulf between elementary CM and middle/high CM.  It is only my attempt at thinking it through it myself and dealing with the changes I see and am experiencing.  I don’t discount the early years or the struggles there.  I know others will not agree with this “gulf” idea of mine either and will want me to stop saying elementary CM is easier.  I can’t stop saying that, but I can say it’s been my experience.  Maybe not a universal experience.  I wanted to post again to make that clear lest I offend someone.

    amandajhilburn
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    Thank you, Claire, for your input 🙂 It does help to know I’m not the only one who is experiencing this! Another thing I’ve noticed is that in elementary EVERYTHING we studied was new! Now we are kind of going back over a lot of subjects (supposedly more in depth) and they seem to get the idea that they already know these things. AND…Last year I skimped on art, music, poetry, ect. and I think that made it less exciting for them.

    I do like your idea of pointing out WHY they need to know these things. I’m beginning to think that has a lot to do with this…hmmm. When they are learning about things that they choose to know, they have a purpose. Maybe I should help them see the purpose of math, grammar, and history? Great thoughts. Thank you.

    Claire
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    Keep me posted Amanda.  Maybe we can encourage one another with ideas that are working. 

    Today I noticed that my son was really bored during our Math lesson (I was too actually) and I mentioned to my husband that I noticed this boredom and that I’d decided to skip some things in the Math book and just get to something more interesting, new.    He said “Go for it.  When he needs that skill in something more interesting that you’re doing, he’ll pick it up because it’s necessary.  Now it’s too abstract for him to care much.” I know that won’t always work.  I wouldn’t always do something like that either, but for this particular skill it was fine.  Sometimes these books separate out every little skill until even I’m struck wondering why on earth we are learning this particiular thing.  I think kids are more capable of learning multiple skills together when the way they are presented is relevant and in context.

    Today’s golden nugget: Don’t be afraid to skip something boring!  Especially if it’s simply and easily learned later in a more interesting context. 

    amandajhilburn
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    I hope it’s okay for me to share a blog link here. This made me think, and I thought it might help others too: http://teachersofgoodthings.com/7-ways-to-homeschool-a-child-that-hates-school/

     

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