What am “I” doing wrong?

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  • Misty
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    Ok.. I know it’s got to be me for the most part. So what am I doing wrong? Our children are great when we are doing something they love, valleyfair, mall of america, science museum, orchestra hall. They are perfect, behave, polite, patient. We tell them how much we love this behavior when we are there and on the way home.

    But latley they are outright fist fighting, argueing, not obeying what we ask, not following through on what was asked of them, whinning, complaining, this is just the tip of the ice berge.

    I’m at a loss. I’ll tell you 1st that we do believe in spanking when there is a place for it, it is not ment for all situations. Otherwise we do time outs, quiet sitting, give work for time’s it seems fitting, basically we try to fit the punishment with the crime. But this is doing NOTHING. So mom’s at a loss, dad is tottally stressed about it and we are sitting in quiet time today. Everyone is sittin gonthe couch and doing nothing?? This is extreme but if they move it’s just AHHHHH it’s beyond me.

    I am open to ANY and ALL suggestions. I am going to do what ever it takes to get my kids back. They have just become someone I don’t want them to. For a quick recap my kids are Keegan 10, Darby 9, Tierney 7, Quinlan 5, Sorley 2.5 (all boys) & Fallon 7wks. I want to point out (after asking my hubby) that this did NOT start after Fallon was brought home, it has been going on for about 3 months or better. We have been trying everything and being as consistant as possible but nothing. Is it so much for them to say please? If I say no to something to understand mom said no and move on without fussing, whinning and complaining? to not interupt everyone always? To get in the truck without fighting over something?

    Sorry ladies I just needed to vent, and with my grandma in the hospital and last night Quinlan was up with the flu it’s just got me going crazy, and dh is working.

    Where do I start with them? I will be honest I have been nice and kind during punishment and that gets me no where, I have been angery and that gets me no where and then I jsut feel like a losser anyway, I have tried to explain it and that’s like talking to a brick wall.

    This is getting long sorry. I wish “nanny” would come save the day, but I’m sure they would be great when she was here 😡

    Thanks for listening

    Misty

    Audrey
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    Sounds like the problem I’m having with my boys lately. (They are 7 and 6, but I also have dd8 and ds2.) They were in their room the other day and I heard a dispute… then it turned into a full fledged fist fight. I just let them fight. Probably not the best solution, but whatever happened was resolved. (Btw, this does not happen all the time.)

    Their behavior is lacking in the same areas that you mentioned. We’ve started implementing early bed time. 15 minutes for each infraction. Bedtime is normally 8:30, so we start from there. Last night my boys went to bed at 7:30 and 7:45. I have noticed a slight difference in their behavior. I think the early bedtime is starting to get to them.

    Sorry I couldn’t offer any real solutions, but I’m definitely going to watch this thread.

    Audrey

    thepinkballerina
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    Would Raising Godly Tomatoes be of help? They “tomato stake” in their home–meaning keeping children close by helping mom til they can be trusted to play on their own….

    http://www.raisinggodlytomatoes.com/

    Tara

    amyjane
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    Misty, my heart goes out to you. So often I think to myself “It would be easier in this moment just to let this go and not deal with it” but what a lie that is!!!! Being a mom that is committed to teaching and training our children is such hard work. Just like a field there are seasons of reaping a rich abundant harvest but then shortly after it is a season of weeding, burning, tilling and planting all over again. In our own lives their are seasons of sin struggles – some new ones creeping up and some old sins that reappear. This is also true of our children. I know you know this but I wanted to encourage you to remember and not loose heart. When I read your post Heb 12:11 came to mind immediately. “No discipline seems pleasant at the time, but painful. Later on, however, it produces a harvest of righteousness and peace for those who have been trained by it.” Most of the time I tell this verse to my children but sometimes I have to remind myself that even on the parent side of disciple it is not pleasant. It is so hard when we think they should have mastered something that they haven’t. It is unpleasant for us to continually teach and train a recurring issue. But the bottom line is what is in the heart overflow out of the mouth and in our actions. So regardless of what we “know” to do we are going to do what is in our heart. In thinking about your situation here are some of the things I would think about:

    1. Regardless of what # child it is, adding a child to the family is a stressor on the other children. Do you think that one of them is insecure about their place in the family? It could be just one child leading the way and the others following suite. (this happens with my boys sometimes)

    2. When a child who is going in one direction (usually obedient and compliant and polite) turns to another way something is going on in their heart that discipline may not change. What I mean is that doling out a punishment for the crime (what we normally do) will not change the behavior because their is a deeper root issue going on. I might try to take a day or half day of prayer to seek the Lord regarding what if anything this might be. The other thing is that you don’t want them just to conform without dealing with what is going on in the heart – it will lead to a harden heart.

    3. I might schedule some one on one time (extra) with each child to fill their tanks. If you are busy with the baby and your dh is working they could just be running on empty tanks that need to be filled.

    My husband and I have really seen that when our kids “act out” in ways that are out of character they often don’t need more discipline but more love and time with us. I can’t say this is true for your kids and I hope these ideas don’t overwhelm you. You seem to be very committed to your children and this is a season that should pass. The fact that you are worried assures me that you will figure it out. I will pray that God gives you wisdom and insight into which child needs what. Hope this helps someway.

    Amy

    crazy4boys
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    I feel for you. I have 4 boys myself and they can get crazy! They are 8, 8, 5 and 2. Some things that have worked for us:

    1. Making sure they get plenty of physical activity during the day. One of mine especially needs to get outside or he gets aggressive. He just has too much energy to contain.

    2. If the fighting escalates I look at what they’ve been watching. We only allow pre-approved DVDs (no TV) but if they’ve been watching lots of Batman or Justice League or ninja stuff, the fighting gets worse. So does the name calling. We take breaks from the TV – a few days or a few weeks as needed.

    3. We started a “Bean Jar”. I got the idea from a Thomas Jefferson Education book. Basically, you take a small container and every time a child does something good you compliment them and give them a bean. You’re looking for positives all the time and soon you feel better about the children and they feel better about themselves and they start acting better because they want the beans. Once the container is full the whole family earns something fun like renting a movie, going to pizza, having a picnic, playing at the park, whatever. It can be free or be something you pay for. But you’re working towards it as a family – all the positives work together and there are never any beans taken away for bad behavior. We try to award silly beans sometimes too, just to keep it light. We’ve given Most Earwax and other crazy things. We also try to turn bad situations around with beans, like if one of the younger ones falls and gets hurt he might get a bean for not screaming his guts out or for getting the biggest scrape at the park. I have one boy who throws a fit about everything and he often gets time-out for it. Sometimes I’ll give him a bean for only screaming for 5 minutes instead of 20. He understands without me saying anything that his behavior was inappropriate and he works harder to control himself in the future. We’ve noticed a real improvement in their attitudes to us and each other since starting.

    4. I make sure they get enough sleep. I let them sleep in until they’re ready to wake up. And try to get them to bed between 8 and 9. They usually get up at 7:30 or 8, but have been known to sleep until 9 or 10. I figure they need it.

    5. One of my boys is very sensitive to the food coloring Red 40 and if he gets it he’s an animal. We’ve cut out as much artificial food coloring as we can and he’s much calmer. I’ve also tried to reduce the amount of sugar they are getting.

    6. If things get really bad and I’m not getting anything done we often just sit on the couch and read fun books. I keep telling myself ‘it’s still school, it’s still an education, they’re still learning’. Sometimes they just need to have fun with mom. Or we’ll go for a long nature walk or play some games like Sum Swamp or Countdown or Uno or Candyland.

    7. Every month or so we have a special family night to celebrate each person. One at a time someone will sit in the special chair and everyone will go around the room and tell one thing they like about the person in the chair. Everyone has to say something and it has to be nice. Unkind things mean a) you don’t get the special treat afterwards or b) you have to say 5 nice things or c) dad will talk to you alone afterwards or d) all of the above. After everyone has had a turn the person in the chair says one thing they like about themselves and we all clap and say we love the person. Then the next person has a turn. It’s been so sweet to hear the things my boys have to say about each other and us parents. Things that they normally wouldn’t say to each other but that mean so much to the other person. For days afterwards you can see them just bouncing with happiness.

    8. I can’t hear whining. “I’m sorry, I don’t understand what you’re saying because you’re whining” or “I’m sorry, whining isn’t appropriate around people. If you want to be around people you’ll need to stop whining”. If they don’t stop they go to their room until they can control it. I also don’t give anything unless they say please. I may remind them, but then I ask them to say it out loud before I follow through. I’ll often say, “I’m sorry, I’d love to give you ______, but you didn’t say please.” My husband always sings a song which drives them crazy “There are two little magic words that will open any door with ease, one little word is thank you and the other little word is please”. He sings it every time they forget to say please or thank you and it sure motivates them to remember!

    9. We just read some Mrs. Piggle Wiggle books with kids that complain and tattle and have bad table manners, etc and then the cure. It opened their eyes to how unattractive those behaviors were and the silly cures made them see that maybe they could control their behavior.

    I hope you don’t feel that you need to or should do all of these. I’m just sharing some things that have worked in the hopes that something might help you. Best of luck to you.

    Heather

    Misty
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    Thank you for your advice, my slow printer is printing as we speak so I can take some suggestions to my dh and the Lord.

    Your kind words where a great site to see today

    Misty

    It must be a boy thing! I have enjoyed reading the responses here as I have the same problems in my house. My three boys are constantly at each other’s throats lately.

    That bean jar idea sounds wonderful. I NEED to spend more time on the positive.

    I just got the Laying Down the Rails seminar and book. I got it along with the All-Day CM workshop from Sonya. It was absolutely wonderful.

    The thing I have taken away from just the first few pages is that I need to stop being a machine gun mommy. I am always throwing so many things out there that they don’t hear anything I say. Also, I need to work on just ONE thing until it is regularily accomplished with no intervention on my part. So to that end I am working on quick bathtimes and clean up (usually takes forever) and the habit of attention during school lessons. Both are really habit of attention because they need to not dawdle during bathtime and lessons.

    Once these two things are taken care of I will work on dinner chores, then bedroom clean up, then laundry…you get the idea.

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