Troubles with liking history

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  • art
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    I saw on the “mundane” thread that some of you might be wanting to talk about history. I do too.

    We have so much trouble liking it. I never have liked it at all. I never have been able to remember any of it. I figured it was public school, but I’ve been homeschooling for 16 years, and I still don’t know any history. That makes it really hard for me to pass on the love of history. Add to that the fact that I can’t find anything interesting as a spine or overview.

    It feels like all we do is history. Why is that?  I know it’s important, but something is not right. I thought about a textbook for next year. If we’re going to be bored, at least we might know a little something afterward. Right now, none of us knows anything about history. 

    I do admit that I haven’t required enough “knowing” about history in terms of narration or discussion. But when they’re bored to death with the books, how well can they narrate?

    Any suggestions?

    Bookworm
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    What are you using for books?  How are you introducing your readings?  I have to confess, I think history is the second most exciting and fascinating “subject” after economics, and my kids have been very eager to read good living books, cook food, “live” in a time period, think about experiencing life as others did long ago.  We have dressed in togas and recited parts of Julius Caesar; eaten pilgrim food; camped out with Lewis and Clark, eating under the stars and watching a re-enactment of one of them being shot in the bum accidentally; made a teepee; made food from every imaginable period; built a pyramid out of sugar cubes; gone to a Civil War re-enactment; hiked to historic spots and pretended to be there when they were famous; invented a character a little like Flat Stanley and “sent” him to different time periods and had him report back to us what he found (we had to take turns “being” Willis, which was his name lol) celebrated birthdays of our ancestors in “period” style, and we have read more biographies and historical fiction and terrific books than I can possibly list.  We have had a BALL!  I don’t know what you mean by “know” history?  Do you mean dates?  Those are nice, but reading about Laura and Mary and Ma making butter, and then making some yourself, is better!  That’s “knowing” history.  Later you’ll get a sense of what happened when, if you just keep reading, keep immersing, keep a book of centuries!  I used to assign to one kid to make a BOC entry for what we just studied, then send another kid off on a mission to find something else that happened at that same time in history.  We loved it!  Watch National Treasure!  My kids turned into total history nerds after that, and made up their own similar stories.  Wish I could share some of my library with you!  History is totally fascinating.  It’s REAL people surrounded by circumstances we can only imagine, trying to figure out how to answer big questions about existence and morality using the tools their society gave them!  People who are just like you and me and our kids.  What do THEY think when you read a biography?  Would they have acted the same as the person did?  Differently?  Why?  (No cheap escapes–they can’t conjure up a modern army and zap it to Wellington!  LOL) If they are bored to death with their books, either they have the wrong books, or the stage has not been set.  The only thing more interesting IMO is economics (don’t get me started on that one today) and my graduate work was . . . ECONOMIC HISTORY!  LOL

    Linabean
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    I love history too and most of my kids favorite books have been historical in nature. We just seem to have trouble with finding a really good spine (for the family) that everything else we are reading on that time period can be “hung” on. A lot of them seem to be difficult for my kids to follow and narrate from and it often creates, for lack of a better word, antsyness. Which makes it more difficult to then go on to read and truly enjoy the living books that we are understanding and liking more.

    I will be changing things up a bit next year and seeing how it goes.

    -Miranda

    sarah2106
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    I am new to this, only finishing 2nd grade with my oldest, but finding a family spine, I can see as one of my biggest struggle. Something to “tie” it all together. I hope it will come with time but thathas bern a struggle for me. I so know not “necessary” but I like the idea of reading a main text and branching off of it.

    Bookworm – great encouragement! It does not have to be memorizing facts and specific dates. Learning how people lived, why they did what they did, how countries were built and then fell (and why)… you are right, that is History. I know I easily get caught up in facts, thinking knowing those is knowing history.

    LindseyD
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    Boy, I sure do feel inadequate after reading Bookworm’s post! 

    History isn’t our favorite, but it’s also not our least favorite. It’s right in the middle, with some books being favorites and others not getting finished because of lack of interest. My problem is finding a spine that my children will actually get into and pay attention to. We haven’t liked the Famous Men books, Oxford First Ancient History, or Columbus and Sons. Shocker, I know.

    My children do love the grade-specific reading recommended by SCM. I think that next year, I’m going to base our history studies more off the grade-recommended reading and less off the spine, using the module guides as a framework and not as a specific plan. This is our fourth consecutive year of the spines not working for us. 

    Just yesterday, we were reading about Diogo Cam and John II of Portugal. My children could no more narrate that than run a marathon. They didn’t care, and truthfully, I didn’t either. It was my first time hearing of Diogo Cam and John II, and I know that in my almost 31 years of life, I’ve never needed to know who they were before and probably won’t again. Is it important that my kids know who Christopher Columbus is? Absolutely? Diogo Cam? Eh, not so much. 

    Is that the wrong attitude? ….Innocent

    Anyway, history has been a struggle lately. BUT, what I have discovered just this week is that my children are better narrators and retain more info when they read the book to themselves instead of me reading it to them. So even though I still have a child that CM would say needs to have most books read to her (grade 1-3), this particular child is an advanced reader and is retaining more when reading to herself. So, things are a-changin’, beginning today. I took Columbus and Sons out of our Family Reading plan and assigned it to my individual students to be read and narrated independently. 

    I do love that I’m personally learning about figures in history that I never heard of before, but I’m still just not *excited* about it. Does that make sense?

    2flowerboys
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    I LOVE history too! And agree w/ Bookworm, we have fun w/ it! I don’t use spines at all! We use living books such as autobiographies, fiction and non-fiction, and then we even do a internet search of that time period. We have also added selective lapbooks such as one for the Civil War and Lewis and Clark! So much fun! We have also gone to museums to make history come alive! Oh yeah, dvd’s/netflix too!

    I reallycan’t get enough of history! LOL! 🙂

     

    pangit
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    I can relate!  History was never a favorite of mine, either.  I have found it much more fascinating while teaching my own children with SCM.  I have still often felt like something was missing.

    I think that Bookworm just needs to go around teach a history class that we can attend!  It really sounds like they have a lot of fun.  I feel at a loss of how to do some of the extras and not loose our down time.  We really need the time for just play, digging, running or getting things done.  I like the birthday party idea, maybe we can incorporate that next year.

    I really thought about just going it on my own with history this year.  Just choosing books and reading one until it was done and then starting another.  But, I don’t know what to choose or what order!  I am getting the SCM guide (we’ll be on module 5) and will decide where to go with it after it gets here.

    LindseyD
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    Ok, I *like* history. I love knowing about how people lived, how they dressed, what they ate, how they traveled, arranged marriages, etc., etc. I don’t care for learning about specific people or dates. Does that make sense?? I feel like the spines (and even most of the recommended individual readings) focus heavily on specific people/kings/queens/dynasties/wars and don’t focus a lot on how everyday people lived during that time. THAT is what I would like to see more of, both for my children and myself. 

    RobinP
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    That’s why I have used TQ all these years. History is God moving, men responding. TQ focuses on the heart issues, worldview if you will, that drove those to do the things they did. Couple that with the best books out there and you have life-changing study.

    morgrace
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    Honestly, I would just ditch the spine! If you really want to develop a love of history, or just enough to like it – I think a textbook would be a bad idea. Yes, you might “know” about history for awhile….but will it last? And more importantly, will your children care? I think we tend to miss the boat entirely with history. It is not so much what that we know what and when, but why. Why is the more important thing to know, why people did the things they did. My mother was a history major, and she told me as a child “If we don’t know where we’ve been, we won’t know where we are going” (I have no idea if that is her comment or if she picked it up from her reading.) We dull history down by distilling it to the dates and facts and dry boring sentences. When in fact it was lived, just like Bookworm said, by real people, in real places, who did real things. History is a story, and is in my opinion easiest to study as a story. The Bible is a story. Jesus taught in stories. Find some different books! And yes, I realize that spines are usually a narrative in story form, but that doesn’t mean that the spine book automatically places you right there – as though you are living the story as it unfolds. There’s a world of difference from a narrative on the Revolutionary War and Johnny Tremain. (I am not disregarding narratives or biographies or documentaries or advocating only historical fiction. I am trying to make the point that the history book should put you right “then and there”). I did not read Johnny Tremain until I was an adult (and no my kids haven’t read it yet) but as soon as I closed that book, I emailed my brother who was overseas on a military deployment, for the very first time I finally understood WHY he went into the military in the first place. So a man could stand up. A person could “know” the names, dates, places and outcomes of every battle of that war, and yet – not care. On the other hand a person could know Samuel Adams, John Adams, George Washington, Thomas Jefferson etc. (Or Abigail Adams, there’s a person most mothers especially would enjoy meeting!) To know them as people, not only who they were and what they did (good and bad) but what they believed. Just to know one of those people really well would serve a person far better than “knowing” dates or sequences of events. Because to knowing must lead to caring. And knowledge that is not applied is just as bad as ignorance. If you know, yet you do not care – what is the point of knowing at all? History is important it because it’s about people – people yesterday and people today. And people are more than worth caring about!!!

    art
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    It’s not really that the books are boring. We like our living books. I think I wasn’t clear about the books they’re bored with. The trouble is with the spine, like everyone else. Maybe we don’t need one.  

    I think maybe I’m just worrying needlessly. I just felt like my 20 yr old knew more as he went along. Maybe that was just him. He did love reading more than they do. They like it fine and do plenty of it, just not as voraciously as their older brother.

    We’re having standardized testing Friday, and I think I get a little public schoolish at test time. I hate having to test. It’s the whole comparing feeling. Why do we do that? I don’t know the same things as my friends–really!

    Maybe I just need to get a better attitude! And I’m completely exhausted today. I probably am not even making sense.

     

    art
    Participant

    I posted before I saw moregrace’s post. I agree; I’m not going to get a textbook. I was just having a tired moment when I said that.

    I love getting support on this forum!

    Thanks

    LindseyD
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    We’ve ditched spines in the past. The problem I have with it is that I feel like the spine fills in a lot of gaps that are left open between the individual readings. Unfortunately, I’m not confident enough in my own living history book knowledge to find replacements. That’s why I haven’t ditched the spine yet. This is backwards thinking, but it feels like having a spine we don’t care for is better than nothing at all. That’s wrong thinking, and I didn’t realize it until I just blurted it out. Innocent

    My husband even said, “Either way you’re wasting your time. If you’re reading it and no one likes it or can’t follow along, it’s wasted time.” He’s probably right.

    amyjane
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    I will just be honest.  I am very much a here and now person.  That is not to say that I don’t think there is a lot to learn from history but I just don’t enjoy doing it.  I think God made us all different and that is ok.  I don’t enjoy it and my son, who is soo much like me, doesn’t either.  But, like Lindsey’s kiddos, he loves the books we read that are age specific.  Of late I have been struggling with the whole idea of who we are as a family and who are children are as individuals and how this all fits into our homeschool adventure.  One family’s feast won’t be the same as another.  And I am learning to just be ok with who we are.  When I read Michelle’s post she made it sound so great.  But like my husband said a few weeks ago “I like the idea of camping out but not the reality of it”  That is how I feel about history.  But because we want to strive to work hard and not complain we will learn to perservere through the mundane.  No offense you history lovers 🙂

    Bookworm
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    I think one interesting thing is that RobinP and I are both Truthquest users.  🙂  Really, that’s how I find the really great books, the ones we never forget.  I happen to also be fascinated with “bit” players and so we like the well written spines.  I guess it’s also why I like the busboys and janitors of the world.  I think the sideliners are sometimes the very most interesting people.  🙂  Which is why I think Diogo Cao is also interesting.  We are always asking, “Why does this person do what he or she does?  What difference did this person make?  Why didn’t they do ‘x’ instead?”  Anyway, I used TQ for years, for most of my oldest kids’ primary education, and then we branched off a little with the older ones and I tried just using a spine alone with “crew 2.”  But he wasn’t really enjoying himself much, so we went back to TQ again, and, well, he wants to start his next TQ guide over the summer.  🙂 

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