Tristan – Chore Pacs – again

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  • suzukimom
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    Hi Tristan….

    I know I’ve been bugging you about Chore Pacs for quite a while now….

    We tried it at some point last year, but had a few technical problems that I think we might have worked out.  I had really nice chore pac holders, but it was worn around the neck on a string, which my dh won’t allow… so I tried them on a ring with a stretchy cord, and with a bracelet (for keys) – and those both got broken right away.  I now have some lanyards with a brake-release mechanism, so my husband is ok with that…

    But – I had problems with consequences.  We were just trying a basic mornig pack – pretty much get dressed, make bed, tidy room, empty dishwasher.  All of these the kids know what to do (although tidy room has been a battlefield forever)   but as I said – consequences have been a big problem.

    And then there is the other stuff that isn’t on a chore pac at this point, and some that wouldn’t be.   Things like “Echo, would you put this plate and sippy cup (from the 1yo) in the dishwasher?” and then later that night a few hours after the kids are asleep, I find the plate just lying on top of the other dishes in the dishwasher, and the cup put in without being opened.  It isn’t that she doesn’t know how – she didn’t want to do it.  Or me finding stuff sitting on the floor beside the garbage can instead of in it because it fell out when they put it in.  Or they are supposed to put their dishes in the dishwasher, but one is on the counter on top of the dishwasher, and I don’t know whose it was.

    I just feel like I have been trying to get this (anything) going right for years and nothing works for more than a week or two – and often not that long – and yes, I feel like the other poster, that if we do light school or no school to work on training, that my children would end up growing up never doing school (and still doing as little as they can get away with.)

    How do I get consequences that will work for us?

    Tristan
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    First let me say I chuckled over the trash down beside the can – I have one child who will empty food scraps into the trash can and ALWAYS get some on the floor and leave it. I swear she just doesn’t even look at the trash can when she’s scraping! Thankfully she usually eats everything on her plate.

    Consequences that work probably will need to be a bit individualized for each child. Here are some ideas for the specific situations you mentioned:

    1. Putting dishes into dishwasher inappropriately – Give the child dish duty for an entire day. Nobody has to load, unload, etc but that child. If your children usually do their own dishes from the table (like mine do) then make a big deal about Echo having to wait at the table while everyone is eating/drinking to take their dishes in for them. After a day of that most likely Echo will be happy to do it ‘right’. If not, rinse and repeat.

    2. Tidy room – my kids have a hard time with this when there is too much that they can get out. If one child is having trouble remove most of that child’s stuff to a box, if it is several or all children then do the same for everyone. They lose out on having more toys, books, clothes available because they’re not taking care of what they have. I’ve found my boys need less available or they really struggle with getting their room picked up.

    3. Garbage on the floor by the can – first, train everyone for a few days (just a few minutes each morning) on how to check that everything makes it in the trash can & picking up anything that falls out. Then begin to enforce the consequence – at our house it is to pick up everything by the can and go get a wash rag to scrub the trash can and surrounding floor on hands and knees until the timer beeps (2-5 minutes depending on age). Some weeks I have a really clean trash can…LOL.

    4. Dishes on the counter that you don’t know whose they are – yeah, not fun! We do a few things. First, the kids all have waterbottles instead of cups so we can tell whose is whose. (We did it to cut down on sharing germs, but it’s helpful for this too). If you’re using cups can you get a cheap plastic set from Walmart and put each person’s name or initial on one? We have grabbed a few of the $1 holiday sets as needed. Then there is no mistaking cups at least. For plates/bowls I just really try to stay on top of them. At first I had to hang out at the table/by the kitchen to eyeball them and immediately provide a consequence. Now I know who my ‘repeat offender’ tends to be. 😉

    Overall we’ve had to choose consequences that:

    1. Mean something to the child.

    2. Are easy to enforce so I’ll be consistent.

    And I know what you mean, school can’t be dropped every three months when we need to work on habits again. I try to have chore ‘brush up/training’ sessions when I notice something consistently not getting done. These are just 5 minutes for several days in a row NOT during chore time. Also use natural breaks like time off around holidays, spring break or summer break (even if you’re just off for a week) to do ‘chore boot camp’. You’re already off school, so there is time to focus on doing chores up to mom’s standard for a few days.

    suzukimom
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    Thanks for Specific ideas for the things I mentioned.   I am going to try to get some of these things figured out and written down (so I don’t have to try to remember them and am scrambling for ideas on the moment).

    Here are my thoughts at the moment, taken from some ideas on the other thread, some stuff I’m reading, and the ideas above.  I’m open to comments….

    If I don’t know who did something (ie, left a plate out, etc), I’m not going to spend time trying to figure out “who did it” – call the crew (age 2+ or 3+ ?), let them know I’m disappointed, and have everyone fix the problem… if someone voluntarily “owns up” thank them and appreciate their honesty in the matter…   Do I need to assign an extra chore for everyone???

    From above: 

    1) dishes on counter – I like that idea… only issue I see is that I do have a few kids that do that (I think they all do sometimes) so there will be times I don’t know who they are… or I may have more than one child doing dish duty….  but maybe with implementing the consequence it won’t happen often so those won’t be a problem….  Also occasionally the dishwasher has clean dishes or is running, so that is an exception that we have to watch for.

    2) yes, I know the toys issue and taking things away….  I think a bit of the problem is the house is sooooo small.  All 3 girls share a room, and it ends up being an issue.  I take toys away, and take toys away and they multiply.  And clothes all over, even though I have reduced the number of clothes they own and do laundry often…  Our storage area has lots of toys that have been taken away (I do sometimes rotate them) and it just doesn’t seem to phase them.  They ask for the stuff that is upstairs, but won’t keep what they have downstairs tidy.  We aren’t giving it away, as there is always a younger child that would like to play with it t some time… but it is frustrating.  Then with my son – it got so that all he had was Lego (but about 15,000 pieces of it) but it is all over his room.  It is hard for me to take away because I have to pick it all up (I don’t do well around the floor).  Any that I pick up around the house, or in laundry gets taken away and put in a box of “mom’s lego” – I have given it back to him as a Birthday present.  But he has so much, I’d have to take it all away (and his dad doesn’t like me to take his Lego away… sigh.) and then he would have nothing really.    I also need an idea of how to determine when they can have something back.  (Mind you the book I’m reading says to take it away and give it away… and that makes a more lasting impression – but I also think that was more for older children that probalby bought it themselves to begin with…)    So I am open to suggestions.   Oh, and recently I’ve noticed the kids are sneaking toys out of storage (sigh.)

    3 – I like that idea, as the trash can lid gets pretty dirty sometimes.  I have to admit that occasionally it is because the can is too full (my job) – but how hard is it really to push some of the stuff down a bit?

    4 – My grandma had different coloured plastic cups that you were assigned a color and that was your color.  I still know which would be my cup at her house – it never changed over the years. (mine is the light blue… my one cousin that lived there had white. my aunt’s was red.  my grandma’s was dark blue.  I don’t remember my siblings’ colours…) I am assuming there must have been some other grandchildren with the same cup when they visited… but it worked well.  

    One of my cousins (with the same grandma) had a spot on the counter (near their water cooler if I remember right) with pieces of tape with family names – each person had a glass that stayed on their spot and that was theirs for the day for water (I’m sure that took a bit more training) – and I must say I am tempted to run to Wal-mart and buy different coloured plastic cups as it DOES cut down on germs from sharing, or having all the cups used over glasses of water.  We sometimes have the dixie cups in the bathroom – but then the kids go through them like crazy.   

    Of course that doesn’t solve the other dishes – but combo of stuff above might.

    Ideas from other post…..

    When free time starts, having to do the chore they didn’t get done, plus another.  So I need some chores they can do that aren’t normally done… maybe cleaning walls, front of dishwasher/appliances, extra floor sweeping, – maybe extra bathroom cleaning?   Need to reread the other post because I remember there was suggested consequences for grumbling etc.

    a bit of training time scheduled, possibly rotating a child per day – but may need to focus on a child for a while with something new…?

    Suggestions for losing cards??

     

    So my original chorepack had cards for things like (it varied a little for each child)

    1. Get Dressed 
    2. Put Jammies Away (fold and put under pillow – or put in dirty laundry)
    3. Make Bed
    4. Tidy Bedroom (list of steps)
    5. Feed/Water Cats
    6. Brush Hair
    7. Empty Dishwasher (was a shared chore – but now they are fighting over who does what, so I think I’ll assign to one – but need to think of a chore for the other…)
    8. Review Violin Songs (at the time they could do this in different rooms, or do together if they prefered…)

    Problem kept occuring with Tidy Bedroom… and one being ready to empty dishwasher before the other…

    3yo had…

    1. Use Toilet
    2. Get Dressed
    3. Put Jammies Away
    4. Make Bed
    5. Tidy Bedroom (help)
    6. Hair Done (well, attempt on own, come to finish with me)

    So should I take out the Tidy Bedroom for a while, while they get in the habit of doing the others???

    I know this was long and unorganized as it is my thoughts… so I appreciate people reading down to here… any thoughts?

     

    suzukimom
    Participant

    ok, so thoughts from the other post…

    while redoing chore + extra chore – if not done within timer (or if grumbling, etc), they lose all free time and stay with me…  

    there was a suggestion of more problems they go to bed early and lose out on the family read-out loud.   But even though we don’t do lots of activities, our evenings have gotten busy anyway!   Monday is Family Home Evening, and I’m not going to have a child miss out on that….  Tuesdays is Group Violin.  Wednesdays (starting next week) – 1 week a month – is now a church evening for my 8yo son to work on religious requirements.  Thursdays is Cubs and Beavers…. so most of these nights we are out pretty much until bedtime.  (boy am I glad we aren’t involved in lots of activities! lol.)  So I’ll have to figure out something else if needed, but it’d be nice to have an idea ready…

    Don’t mean to “but in” the conversation, but thought I would add that for older kids you can also do a positive consequence for completing all their chores on time and in good order. This may take a month or two trial run, but my kids caught on pretty quick and do a great job of taking the initiative.

    Basically I have a set age appropriate “allowance” every month. If Mom or dad have to ask for things to be done that the kids already know to do from their lists (aka nag! 🙂 then I don’t say anything more but just deduct a certain amount from that set allowance. At the end of the month they will be either thrilled and proud of their accomplished work, or not so thrilled and remember better next time.

    My biggest stress is having to ASK for something to be done ALL the time. I want my kids to care and take the initiative! This is a great “real life” way of having them learn.

    Misty
    Participant

    Our kids all have a colored cup! This is awesome and we’ve used it for years. it also saves on dishes caue if you don’t know where your cup is you don’t drink. One cup a day!

    I am loving reading through this. Very helpful and making me think.

    My issue with sending to be early is .. they just wake that much earlier if they actually fall asleep (and we are already up at 630/7am)? And even if they don’t we have one older with one younger in a room so I can’t have the older in there bothering the younger who is trying to go to sleep? HMM I will think this one through more. Thanks for this post very helpful.

    suzukimom
    Participant

    Well, the kids are running around doing their Chorepac right now…  

    Hoping to get this going again.

    Sue
    Participant

    Tristan’s comments about having too much stuff to take out and use/play with making it harder to keep things tidy hit home with me. I was just thinking about this the other day when I began to realize just how much “stuff” we had accumulated over the past few years (myself included).

    When we moved into my dad’s house, I could only take certain things (most of that season’s clothing, our school items, the major personal items, and a limited number of toys for the kids) because we were moving out….shall I say, “in haste,” and I didn’t want to alert my husband and stepsons that we were leaving until the day we actually left. We left with only about a day and a half to prepare. So, we didn’t have a whole lot to deal with at the time.

    A few months later, my husband decided to move to an apartment, and we were on slightly better terms, so I was allowed to pretty freely go through everything else in the house and pack up extra clothing, the rest of the toys, and other personal items. At the time (this was 5 years ago), I went through as much as I could, throwing out some things and freecycling or giving away a lot more. I didn’t keep very many kitchen items and almost no furniture since we have been using my mom’s old kitchen stuff (fun, because I remember these things from my childhood) and the furniture my dad already has. Still, we managed to fill the closets in our bedrooms and two large boxes went into storage at a friend’s house.

    So….I was looking around in dismay a couple of days ago at all of the extra items taking up floor space in my bedroom, the overflowing stuff in my girls’ room, and the junk under my son’s bed. (He’s just messy and doesn’t throw things away.) We’ve just got to get a handle on this stuff and declutter the bedrooms, the kitchen, and the living room. I’m not sure whether to make decluttering an assigned daily chore (like maybe 10 minutes each day per person) or break it down into an ongoing project.

    Part of the problem is that, while the girls agree that something needs to be done, they run out of steam very quickly and are overwhelmed by the mess in their room. And, my son doesn’t see why we need to clean up anything at all, even though we’ve talked about how nice it is to not have things missing or broken. He doesn’t even like to leave a throw on the chair with the ripped cushion–he doesn’t like to have the nasty-looking part covered up and constantly takes the cover off of it!

    I’m going to take some time today to get my thoughts in order about this and start cleaning up myself. Then I think we need to try a family meeting again. I had forgotten that I planned to take the day off (not because the public schools are off, but because it’s my son’s half-birthday….we usually take our birthdays off, but his is in the summer….so, half-birthday holiday!)

    *Sigh*   What’s a Messie Mom to do?

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