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For studied dictation, would it be defeating the purpose to tell my 11 yo ds where the commas are supposed to be placed as I am reading it back to him?
He gets very frustrated when he gets it “wrong” (even though I’m not grading him)- meaning he missed putting commas in the right place. He says he feels stupid when I have to show him where the commas go. And he also says that he thinks he knows it when he studies it, but then when he starts to write, he forgets. His spelling is excellent and he never gets the words wrong, just some of the punctuation.
I think it’s a great exercise for him to do because it forces him to really listen (he has Aspergers/ADHD). I even try to exaggerate slightly the pauses for the commas to help him along.
We are doing Simply Spelling and he is on the 3rd lesson of 6th grade, which is the Gettysburg Address.
I was wondering if “studied dictation” is the same thing as “prepared dictation.” I have seen the term “prepared dictation” for teaching spelling, both here on the SCM site and on Ambleside Online. Are they the same thing?
Thanks,
Sue
Sue, I assume so.
How long have you been doing the dictation with him and how often a week are you doing it?
Rachel
Oops! I meant prepared dictation!
I guess I confused the terminology because it is studying the dictation.He does it only once a week for about 10 minutes….and it’s hard getting him to do even that.
I do think it owuld be defeating the purpose tontell him where to put the commas and he will become dependant on you. Have you looked at Sonya’s prepared dictation video? If not, maybe that would help.
We are starting Prep.Dic. (PD) this year and I know my son (being visual) will need to copywork it one day and look over it everyday, reading it aloud, then do the actual PD on that one day a week. If he has any words unfamiliar to him, he does best when they are broken down by syllables in a very visual way (with separating lines) so he can see the rules of each syllable to sound out the word, otherwise he flies right over it. Perhaps a combination of these techniques would help him? Just be patient as your son has his struggles with his challenges; perhaps using it as copywork and look over it daily (maybe even saying “comma”); continue with the ‘pregnant pauses’.
What other learning strengths/tendancies does he have that you can incorporate into the PD over a weeks’ time so that by the time he gets to the actual day of dictation, he’s more confident? Does he need to know more of the actual ‘rules’ of punctuation (I personally believe in a combo of visual and rules)? Is he auditory, so that he should read it out loud daily, with the ‘pregnant pauses’ read aloud to himself to ‘hear’ the commas? Also, if he’s auditory, one of those music grammar cd’s as a supplement? http://www.singnlearn.org/khxc/ccp0-catshow/grammar.html
If he’s strongly visual and kinesthetic, use the sentence for the PD in magnet style on an easel (only helpful if your magnets come with punctuation marks)? My dd has sensory dysfunction (kinesthetic and auditory are her strengths, visual last)and she too is a good speller, but struggles with punctuation, but I’m not starting her on Spelling Widsom yet as I am my son this year (she’s only 9, he’s newly 10), he’s strongly visual then fairly equally kinesthetic and auditory.
Just some ideas; you’ve probably already thought of them, but maybe it will get your creative juices flowing,
Rachel
Charlotte preferred that the teacher not state where to put the punctuation (called “pointing” in her day):
“Then the teacher gives out the dictation, clause by clause, each clause repeated once. She dictates with a view to the pointing, which the children are expected to put in as they write, but they must not be told ‘comma,’ ‘semicolon,’ etc.” (Vol. 1, p. 242).
I wonder if you could do a little “pre-test” talk-through to help him recall the punctuation and remember where it goes right before you dictate the passage. Charlotte talked about doing that with words to double check spellings, so I wonder if you could adapt the same idea with the punctuation, since it is of special concern to him.
I guess I confused the terminology because it is studying the dictation.
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