Questions re: choosing challenging readings

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  • Abbaschild
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    I’m wondering how others decide which books are appropriate for their children to read.  By this, I’m not speaking of more adult content and things of that nature, but rather how do you pick a book written in a way that would challenge the child (whether that be complex language or subject content or both) but not make it such a challenge that it would cause the child to dread reading?  How many books of this nature do you schedule in a child’s day?  Is it good to have at least one book going like this, where you tell him/her to read as slowly as they have to to understand it all – even if it takes them several re-readings of a paragraph to understand?  Or, are some of you scheduling most books like this, with only a few that are not as challenging?  With a book like this, I guess it would be really wise to make sure that you stick to that short lesson….

    I’m realizing that we started out with some pretty challenging literature when we first started homeschooling and, for some reason, I’ve slacked off quite a bit on what I’m asking them to read.  I think we need to pick up the pace, so to speak.

    Am looking forward to hearing your replies, advice, wisdom. 

     

    Abbaschild
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    Any thoughts on this?Smile

    Sonya Shafer
    Moderator

    I’ll chime in some random thoughts and hope to hear from others too.

    • I don’t think you ever want a book that the child has to re-read paragraphs to understand. We’re trying to build the habit of attention by not repeating, so it seems like we wouldn’t want to purposely put him in a situation where he “has to” re-read repeatedly.
    • Challenging material is good if used as a means to an end. In other words, we don’t throw in challenging material just because it’s challenging. It seems like we would want to use a more challenging book if it suits our living book standards and fits the topic we had planned. In other words, if I had two equally good living books that I could use for a certain topic, it might be good to use the more challenging one if . . . (see next random thought)
    • There’s a difference between challenging and frustrating. Each child’s “fine line” between the two could be different. What might heartily challenge one child might totally frustrate another child. We don’t want to frustrate.
    • One good guideline might be Charlotte’s narration test: If the child can narrate the book and enjoys the book, use it. If he can’t narrate it or doesn’t enjoy it, find a different one.

    Other thoughts?

    Misty
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    One thing I find is if when my kids are suppose to be doing there reading they are looking around, flipping the pages to play or just looking dazed I have to ask myself why??  Is it just a bad day or is it something more.  We have had to put 2 books away cause they were not working and then in return the boys were not reading.  So we kept going till we found something better.  Now they are flying through there books!!! YEPPIE  Good luck. Misty

    Abbaschild
    Participant

    Thank you so much, Sonya, for your response.  That really helps me.  I think I am just having to still relax a bit as I discovered SCM *after* AO, which kind of made me associate really challenging literature with CM methods/ways. 

    So, did Charlotte actually encourage teachers to give a particular book to a child and have them read one or two chapters to see how they did with it?  I see that Misty’s advice, too, is to go ahead and put a book away if it’s too challenging or not keeping the child’s interest.  And, we have done that with some books.  Here are my “fears” about that – 1). If we do that regularly, I am teaching them that it’s O.K. to give up on a challenge.  2).  That some sort of cycle will begin where they will reject all books I give them and will only want to read twaddle because then they don’t have to do any thinking at all.  (which, of course, is my job as their mom/teacher not to let happen, but you get what I’m saying….)

    So, Sonya – are questions like the one I’m asking here covered in your Books & Things seminar?  I’m going to have to mapquest Loganville, GA now and see how far it is from FL.  🙂

     

     

    Bookworm
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    I agree with everything said already, with one caveat.  It can sometimes be that it is the more challenging book that gets the better narrations.  I used to sometimes be afraid of the “challenging” books, putting them off until later and choosing easier books–and I got boring, short, uninventive narrations.  When I gathered up the courage to try a few more challenging books, suddenly I got much, much better narrations.  It took me a while to figure out why this was so, but I think I have it now.  🙂  The “too-easy” books were often not thought about and reflected on in between readings.  We read it, they narrated it, that was it.  Those meatier books, they were “living with” in between readings.  This was reflected in the quality of their narrations.

    I would never want to say you must force a child to read something very difficult that totally frustrated them.  However, I feel there is a place for more difficult material.  It won’t hurt to occastionally just say to your children “This one is really frustrating you, let’s put it aside for now and think about returning to it another time.”  But as you mentioned, we don’t want our children just giving up every time they run into something that doesn’t come easily.  It is worthwhile to come up with some “coping strategies” for more difficult reading.  One is to read the tougher material aloud and discuss it more than you usually would.  This is what we do with, say, Plutarch.  We unravel it together.  Preparing the reading is much more important with this sort of material–it’s worth it to spend a few minutes in advance looking up difficult words, diagramming out a very tough sentence, making a simple outline, or something to keep your thoughts together.  Look up those mythological and historical references you don’t recognize, etc.  Obviously you can’t do all this with twenty readings a week and stay sane, but you could do it for a few.  Teach your children, as they become older, to do the same thing.  Yes, we want to encourage one reading with attention, but some subject matter, one reading is just not enough.  Some books your child is going to need to learn the skill of forging through difficult material, and for that, it is worthwhile to pass through once, for “discovery”, looking things up as you go, and then pass through again for understanding. 

    I think of it as the Danny method.  Has anyone else read Chaim Potok’s The Chosen?  There is a brilliant boy named Danny who decides as a teenager he wants to read Freud in the original German, but just can’t get through it with understanding, even though he has a photographic memory.  (NO, I do not recommend his choice of reading material for our kids–it’s the method that struck me) So what he does next is to keep a German dictionary and a psychiatric dictionary next to him and work through it slowly, word by word, and then read it for understanding.  If our kids can do the same, they’ll be well prepared for life–no one wants to read EVERYTHING this way.  But boy, I wish I’d known how to do this already before I hit graduate school.  🙂

     

    Sonya Shafer
    Moderator

    Excellent counsel, Bookworm. At what age/level would you say this type of challenging study should be introduced? Got any guidelines in mind?

     

    Abbaschild, at the Books & Things seminar we will discuss how to select living books. We’ll go through several of Charlotte’s guidelines of what makes a living book. We’ll talk about how to use living books; e.g., narration. Your questions fall right in line with the topics we will be discussing. I don’t necessarily have in my notes to mention the points that you have brought up, but they are definitely related and would be perfect examples of related Q&A.

    Abbaschild
    Participant

    Thanks, Bookworm, for your post.  This is kind of what I had in mind.  I’m interested, too, to see your answer regarding when to introduce this kind of a challenge. 

    Both of your posts have been very helpful to me. 

     

    Betty Dickerson
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    I don’t know the ages of your kids, but my 11yr old boys are reading a Ballantyne book, which is a little more readable than G.A. Henty.  The chapters are 21 pages long (or maybe that’s counting each side and two chapters, I don’t remember).  It is not real difficult vocabulary though challenging, but it is not potato chips, kwim?  It is meaty, with lots of description, and an actual plot! 

    I have been surprised by their narrations when I remember to ask for them–they have been very detailed. 

    For this age, I have planned a G.A. Henty book, Ballantyne book (Fighting the Flames), a shorter Lamplighter book, and a missionary biography (YWAM). 

    My daughter who is 13 is reading Oliver Twist, Hidden Art of Homemaking, a book about King Arthur online, and will be reading Mere Christianity. 

    The children’s reading material is the most challenging thing the kids are tackling right now, since we are still in the process of moving.  It has been a good thing. 

    I’m sure the Books & Things seminar will give you helpful principles.  I just wanted to offer you examples of what we have done with the very same desire.

     

    Blessings!

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