OT: Meal help – what & ages

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  • Misty
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    Ok so I shouldn’t complain I have 7 very helpful kids in the kitchen.  I will 1st explain how kitchen runs here – 7 kids 1st 5 are boys ages 16, 15, 13, 11 & 8.  Then 2 girls 6 & 5.  My oldest 3 boys have 2 days in the kitchen.  They make breakfast, lunch and dinner totally by themsleves.  They may ask questions, I may help if I’m available but they are amazing and do it alone. I dish up dinner portions (which they still can’t manage or some of us would never eat LOL).  The 4th son who is 11 is a slow worker, dawdler; makes breakfast by himself, usually needs some help around lunch with re-heating and figuring it all out so we don’t eat in shifts.  Dinner needs help just cause he’d need to start dinner at noon otherwise.  The youngest 3 have one of the older 3 help them. So one or two children are in charge of meal prep/cooking for the day.  This person/s is also in charge of dishes.

    Here is the issue/question.  1st the question – how do you do meal time’s at your house?  What age are your kids and what are they expected to do?

    Issue – My older 3 are getting burned out with it as of late.  I can see it and I don’t want them to hate cooking, so I think maybe I need to re-organize this meal prep idea.

    Idea – Breakfast is usually – oatmeal, oatmeal squares, cream of wheat, cereal, toast or bagels.  This is Mon – Fri I am only taking about we prepare a more hearty meal on Saturday and Sundays when dad is home.  I am wondering if I should:

    1. take back to breakfast making with the youngest 3?

    2. Let the 8yr old boy and 6 yr old girl, do breakfast alone which they would LOVE? But what would it be? What could they do alone?

    3. Open to suggestions?

    With option 1 & 2 I would then just have the oldest 4 doing lunch & dinner which might help?

    I don’t know and feel like I’m rambling, so sorry.  So what does it look like at your house? How does it work? Thanks Misty

    Tristan
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    Your kids do more than mine in the kitchen, honestly.  I can see where they would get burned out – just like we do!  What about giving each of the older 3 just one day to handle (breakfast, lunch, and dinner)?  That could be Mon, Wed, Fri, for example.  Then have the 11yo with you and the 5 year old do a day (Tues. in this example).  And the 8yo, 6yo, and you take the fifth day (Thurs).

    You would be able to invest the time to teach the 11, 8, 6, and 5 year olds in small groups in kitchen skills so they become more independent as the grow.

    At my house unless the 14 year old or daddy cooks I’m involved (my next oldest is only 10).  So I have two kitchen helpers per day and each one does what fits their skill range, with me there to oversee, help, and teach.  There are some meals they don’t need my help at all, such as ham and green beans in one crock pot with potatoes baked in a second crock pot.  There are others where they just need me for lifting – ex. draining a pot of pasta because a lot of my kids are short and we cook a lot to feed 10 people.

    So the helper pairs are 14yo and 4 yo on Sunday and Thursday, 10yo and 6yo on Monday and Friday, 9yo and 7yo on Tuesday and Saturday.  Wednesday I work with the 3yo (Mason, who, with a wheelchair has some obvious challenges reaching things in the kitchen).  On your day you are responsible for the dishwasher and all meal prep/cooking/cleanup.

    Things my younger ones can do (age 7, 6, 4): peel veggies, cut soft fruits or veggies like cucumber, get cans from basement and open cans, pull out all ingredients while older child of the pair reads off what they need, set table, stir things (esp. if they are baking something.  These ones can also use the Bosch mixer under supervision to mix bread dough, etc, not just stir with a spoon).

    I’m home from church with some medical needs to attend today and have the 4, 3, and 2 year old with me.  The 4 year old just helped me make chili.  I’ll share what I did and what he did.

    He:

    • got cans of beans and tomatoes from basement, fresh garlic from the pantry, measuring spoons, strainer, can opener, pan for browning the sausage, spoon for stirring that.
    • Opened beans and drained.  Opened tomatoes and put right into crock pot. Added beans, water.
    • Helped me measure out spices (I got down from a high cabinet) and dumped into crock pot.
    • Put away can opener.
    • I cooked the ground sausage on the stove, it was frozen, and when done added it to the chili in the crock pot.  Honestly, sometimes we don’t even do meat so this meal could have been done by the 4 year old with just me helping measure spices.  And occasionally I’m totally on the ball and have had a seasoning packet making session with kids where we bag up the right amount of spices for chili, spaghetti, etc so they just grab one baggie and dump it into the pan.

    When lunch time rolls around the only thing left to do is grab bread or crackers, butter, and a fruit.  He’ll prep the fresh fruit (pluck grapes) or he will decide he wants peaches and pears and open the cans and drain off the juice.

    I think the key is not to burn them out.  Give them fewer days a week responsible for every meal BUT on their days be sure they aren’t just sticking with old favorites.  Every so often they need to stretch their cooking skills and try a new dish.

    Kayla
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    To start: I am in a very different life strange than you. My oldest is 6 then I have a 4.5 year old and a 20 month old.  We just moved to a house with no dishwasher and no where to put one until we have saved for a kitchen redo.

    Breakfast things my 6 year old daughter can make for breakfast:

    banana slathered in peanut butter, sliced and sprinkled with granola and honey

    toast with butter or peanut butter

    cereal if I buy half gallons of milk instead of a gallon

    Lunch: she could easily make sandwiches and slice fruit and plate everything up. We do not do many left overs so lunch is usually some kind of carb (crackers, sandwich) carrot sticks, fruit and cheese slices.

    The 4 year old and 6 year old help wash dishes and dry and put them away. I even have the 20 month old bring me cup ms and dishes from around the house.

    like I said I am in a different life stage so right now I make 99% of our meals. My 6 year old and 4 year old alternate nights with who is my helper and some evenings I’m just done and want everyone out of the kitchen so I can cook. Friday and Saturday the 2 oldest are in charge of getting their own breakfast.

    MrsB
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    I have 8. My oldest is just now 17 (an upcoming junior) then we have 10, 9, 8, 6, 4, 3, 2. I may ask my 17yo to cook occasionally, and he can. He will also ask to make dinner sometimes, either when he sees I’m overwhelmed or when the fancy strikes. However, he is so busy with school (6hours a day) and his business, that I don’t require anything of him. He has put in his dues, so to speak, and pitches in wherever is needed, but he doesn’t have any assigned chores. I lay that burden on my younger kids, because they don’t have the big responsibility of school and work. I would really try to balance serving the family with the very real nature of burnout. I’ve heard too many oldest children say they won’t have large families because they were so burdened as kids. Obviously, they need to learn to work and serve, so it’s hard.

    I realized I was laying much of the burden on my oldest, and not expecting my younger set to step up. That coupled with the demands of high school work, and I completely took him out of formalized chore assignments.

    One of the middle boys will make breakfast. The 8,9, and 10yo are good with oatmeal. They still burn eggs, so we have to work on that. We do cereal or pb toast a lot.

    Lunch is crockpot lunches from Large Family Logistics or sndwiches. Everyone pitches in, but it’s me doing any cooking. I need to make assignments, though, because they all like cooking. I just have to get organized.

    LindseyD
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    Hi Misty!

    I am in a totally different situation than you are as well–only 2 kids and they are now 10 and 11. Like Kayla, we just moved into a house without a dishwasher and no place to put one until we remodel. We’ve always had a dishwasher, so my kids are just now learning the lost art of hand-washing, drying, and putting away. Honestly, I don’t mind cooking every meal if they do the dishes! 🙂

    Alas, I do teach them cooking skills. Dd10 enjoys cooking more than ds11, however. He prefers to wash the dishes. I’ve had them in the kitchen with me since they were little, but they don’t do as much as yours do. Recently, dd has been asking a lot about what’s being served at the next meal. (ie. After breakfast she’ll ask what’s for lunch or after dinner she’ll ask what’s for breakfast the next day.) I’ve gotten annoyed with that, so I’ve told her that she can start planning breakfast. We don’t eat many grains and are gluten-free, so our breakfast choices are much different than yours. But she does know how to soak oats for oatmeal the next morning. Both kids can fry and scramble eggs, serve a piece of fruit for themselves, spoon out and sweeten their own yogurt and add berries if desired, pour glasses of raw milk, or slice and butter a gf baked good, if I’ve made one — which is rare now.

    Their favorite lunch is what we call “snack lunch”, and recently, they’ve been eating out of egg cartons. They love filling the individual compartments with small portions of lots of different foods and they are totally capable of making it themselves. Some of the foods they make their snack lunches with: cheese cubes, an assortment of raw fruits and veggies, nuts, dates or raisins, nut butter in a compartment to dip celery or apple slices, slices of turkey or pepperoni or hot dogs, and shredded coconut. That’s an idea that some of your younger ones might enjoy and be able to do for themselves, at the very least, and for the rest of the family if everyone would enjoy it. Now that we are getting a ton of lettuce from our CSA, the kids are enjoying making their own salads. There’s another idea for you.

    For dinner, I cook a big meal and we almost always have leftovers for lunch the next day. They sometimes help with dinner prep by chopping veggies, washing and spinning lettuce, adding spices to the pot, stirring or watching something on the stove for me. But as I said before, their main help to me is cleaning up. They are totally able to clean up the entire kitchen after a meal with minimal assistance from me or Daddy.

    I do get burned out with cooking, so I can see how your older ones might feel that way. Maybe give them a break and get back into the kitchen for a while, and let them handle clean up? Or would the oldest be able to do the shopping for you now that he’s driving age?

    Hope that’s helpful!

    jmac17
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    My kids are 9, 8, and 5.  They basically take care of themselves for breakfast.  Bagels, oatmeal, cereal, and toast (all with fruit) are our basics.  We usually have hard boiled eggs available if they want them.  None of my kids are big eaters in the mornings.  DD9 and DS8 are also capable of scrambling eggs and making pancakes.  I transfer milk into a smaller pitcher so DD5 doesn’t have to handle a gallon jug.

    For lunch, we usually have either sandwiches or leftovers.  I intentionally double all recipes that can be frozen and whatever we don’t each for lunch the next day is frozen into serving sizes for my DH to take to work.  The kids can make their own sandwiches, as long as someone helps the youngest cut the bread.  DS8’s specialty for lunch is grilled cheese sandwiches with tomato soup.  They can also make things like tuna melt or quesadillas or nachos.  DD5 is our expert “squiggly noodles” (Ramen) chef.

    Suppers I usually do, with help.  DS8 has recently become excited about learning to BBQ.  He can now do hamburgers and hotdogs by himself, and is working on learning steak or chicken.  DD9 is learning to follow a recipe for slow cooker stews or chili.  They both have goals of learning more cooking this summer.  DD9 is also working on learning to bake cookies, bread, muffins, and cakes.

    We don’t have any specific assignments, we just work it out depending on schedules and moods.  Also, the entire family works together to clean the kitchen after every meal.

    Misty
    Participant

    Thanks everyone that was a big insight.  I appreciate and thank my kids daily for their help with meals.  I asked and they all but one like to be in the kitchen (no surprise for me which one LOL).  Although they do feel like 2 days (for the older ones is a bit much).  That said I think this is my new plan:

    Everyone will get one day in the kitchen.  I will be with the youngest three and the 11 yr old as needed if he wants my help or he is free to ask an older sibling who isn’t busy/wants to help.

    When with the younger kids I will plan meals where they can really help out.  The 11 yr old I will pick meals he should be able to make alone – which will help build his confidence and help him to time manage better – thinking crockpot meals.

    Instead of a 4 week meal rotation I will do a bi-weekly.  When we’ve all mastered our meals, then we’ll stick with it a couple more weeks to fine tune and feel comfortable with the meal. Then I will rotate to a new bi-weekly chart to learn some more new meals and give our family a little change.

    To make breakfast easier – we’ll all make the same thing on our day throughout the bi-weekly menu.  So if Friday is cereal then every Friday is cereal.  Also, then learning to master and time manage each meal prep on each childs day.

    I will continue to oversee all lunch dishing (usually left overs) and dish dinner (to continue to make sure we all eat!)

    Thanks again everyone.  I got so use to the older kids being in the kitchen I think I forgot that it was time for me to be back in there with the little ones now ready to start helping more.

    It’s great to have such good, honest, helpful moms to chat this out with.  So wish I could come sit with tea and meet personally all of you!

    MrsB
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    Misty, those are great ideas. It will be good for everyone to get used to cooking the same things. I think I will implement that in our kitchen.

    One of my Titus 2 ladies is a mom of 9, whose husband is military, so lots of moves and deployements. Her advice to me has always been to have the same meals over and over, but I usually only use that advice in stressful times. I need to get back to that on a regular basis, for sanity’s sake.

    Good thread. Thanks for starting it.

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