No luck with the late Burrell

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  • swtonscrappn
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    I had a heck of a time finding this book, and had multiple orders from different places not be completed.  Then someone mentioned that it is also sold under the British title of Oxfords Childrens Ancient History.  I was able to buy THAT one from amazon (I think) for just below cover price.  So def look under both titles. 

    Doug Smith
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    FYI, We’ve put in an application for permission to reprint this book but we haven’t received an answer yet.

    It seems like Veritas Press once used the Oxford book too. We checked this morning and they are now using Streams of Civilization, Kingfisher History Encyclopedia, and Hillyer’s Child’s History of the World for ancient history. Is anyone familiar with any of those books?

    alice
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    I remember using Streams of Civilization when I was in school.  I enjoyed it, but I don’t know if it is a living book.  I think I have Hillyer’s Child’s History of the World, so I’ll have to see if that will be a good replacement till the Oxford book is (hopefully) reprinted.

    I have read Streams of Civilization Vol one and two – it is for older children – vol two is written by a different author and is more challenging, – I have the Oxford book and in comparison the Streams book is much more textbook than CM book, though you could use it that way if you ignore the tests etc.  I enjoyed both Streams books, but I enjoy anything history, textbook or CM, so I am not the best judge.  Kingfisher is also a nice encyclopedia – but that is what it is an encyclopedia, so I don’t think it compares to the Oxford book.  I have not seen Hillyer’s book so I cannot tell.  Notgrass history put out nice books if you just use them in a CM way and I believe they are doing some for younger children as well as high school now.  We have used them for narration and discussion and we just ignore the other parts of it.  We also supplement with other books, anyway if anyone has any specific questions, feel free to ask and I will do my best to answer.  I was looking at the Oxford book this morning, and thinking what a nice book it is, and I have to say I have not seen another book quite like it for younger kids, older ones there are a few but this one is very nice and even though I don’t need it I am hanging onto it in case the girls ever have children, because it is a lovely quality.  Having said that, there is no way I would pay more than $25.00 for it, that is what it says on my copy, and that is a good price – those that are selling for $98 are just preying on people who feel they have to have the book, and it is not worth that.  Hope this helps. 

    alice
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    I have a question about substituting the Oxford book.  How will I know what topics to cover in a new book, if I dont know what is covered in the Oxford book in a particular week?  Does that make any sense?  I may find another great living book on ancient Egypt, but how will I know what to read about to replace the original book?  Sorry if this is a dumb question! Embarassed

     

    Lisa02
    Member

    to anyone who has worked through mod. 1 in history or staff from CM What does the Oxford book cover? This way I know what to look for in another book. I am using the helpers guide from CM-Adam and his Kin-Letters from Egypt-And The pharoahs of Ancient Egypt. What should I look for in a book that he would not be getting in one of those?

    jeaninpa
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    I’ve gone back to check my records after reading this thread.  I purchased Oxford Children’s Ancient History by Roy Burrell within this last year.  It is a hardcover in great condition.  I found it at DealOz — they have listings for lots of different book sellers.  I can’t remember who I actually bought it from, but it shipped from England and I paid (don’t throw anything!) $9 and that included shipping.  Try DealOz.

    alice
    Participant

    DealOz will direct you to buy it from Amazon UK, which brings the total to $36.  And it’s out of stock.    Like Lisa02 asked, it would be very helpful to know what is covered in Mod 1.  I downloaded the family study guide, but when it says to read a particular chapter, I don’t know what exactly is covered in the book…therefore unable to make an informed decision about what book to substitute
    Thanks to everyone’s help so far!.

     

    Sonya Shafer
    Moderator

    Lisa02, I don’t have my copy with me here in Texas this weekend, but in general, it covers everyday life with wonderful illustrations. Does anybody have theirs handy to add more details?

    crazy4boys
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    There’s a copy right now on Amazon for the Oxford Children’s History for $10.02.  Do a search on Roy Burrell.  As far as I understand it, they are the same book.  Abebooks has one here for $16.10 plus shipping.  

    I’ll keep looking to see if I can find others.

    Prt 1 is On the Threshold of History

    Prt 2 is The Greeks

    Prt 3 The Rmans

    The chapters are as follows:

    Part 1

    Introduction The Stone Age

    First Civilizations

    Sumer

    Egypt

    Other Early ivilizations

    Pre Iron Age Britain

    Part 2:

    The Minoans

    The Mycenaeans

    Early Greeks

    Greek Civilization

    The Persian Wars

    Pericles and the Golden Age

    Athletics and Games

    The Peloponnesian Wars

    Alexander the Great

    Greece Conquered

    Part 3:

    Origins

    Rome and her Neighbours

    The City of Rome

    Republic and Empire

    Daily Life

    The State and Religion

    The Arena

    The Army

    Barbarians at the Gate

    Postcript: The Legacy of Rome

    Within each chapter there are sections an example would be:

    Chapter 4  Other Early Civilizations

    The Indus Valley

    China

    The Hittites

    The Hebrews

    The Assyrians

    The Persions

    The Phoenicians

    If I have time later I will type up all the chapters and subsections and post it.  Hope this helps for a start.  Linda

    crazy4boys
    Participant

    I think you can also buy the books separately – The Romans and The Greeks and On The Threshold of History (which covers the Stone Age, first civilizations, Sumer, Egypt, other early civilizations and the pre-iron age of Britain).  The Greek and Roman books are between $1 and $5 each on many used book sites.  I can’t find the Threshold of History except on Amazon UK (there is one for .03 pounds plus shipping).

    Ok this is long, bt I have typed out all the parts, chapter and subheadings of the chapter of the book which I hope will bless some of you asking for this.  Each chapter has subparts which are mostly 2 page spreads on each topic.  The book has wonderful pictures and illustrations.  Anyway, here is the book contents:

    PART 1: On the threshold of history

    Introduction – The Stone Age

    Chapter 1 – First Civilizations

    The climate changes

    From food gathering to farming

    From hunting to stock farming

    Attraction of river valleys

    Irrigation and flood

    The rise of the leaders

    Chapter 2:  Sumer

    The first settlers

    The useful date palm

    Nam-sha learns to read and write

    Clay Bricks and Buildings

    Gods and Heroes

    Houses and everyday life

    Conquerors and kings

    Law Givers

    The royal tombs at Ur

    Babylon

    Science in Babylon

    Reading the wedge-shaped writing

    Chapter 3: Egypt

    Before the pyramids

    The Discovery of metal

    Building temples and pyramids

    The oldest ship in the world

    Cleopatra’s needle

    Mummies and tombs

    Akhenaten and religion

    Tutankhamen’s tomb

    The lost toy cupboard

    Everyday life

    The disappearing queen

    Paper, ink, hieroglyphics

    Chapter 4: Other early civilizations

    The Indus valley

    China

    The Hittites

    The Hebrews

    The Assyrians

    The Persians

    The Phoenicians

    Chapter 5: Pre iron age Britain

    The first farmers

    Skara Brae

    Silbury, Avebury and Stonehenge

    Bronze age barrows

    The coming of the iron age

    PART 2: The Greeks

    Chapter 6: The Minoans

    The legend of the Minotaur

    Sir Arthur Evans

    The palace at Knossos

    Daily Life

    Religion

    Bull Leaping

    Michael Ventris and Linear ‘B’

    Atlantis

    Chapter 7: The Mycenaeans

    Homer

    The Trojan War

    Heinrich Schliemann

    Schliemann at Mycenae

    Chapter 8: Early Greeks

    Achaeans and Dorians

    The emergence of cities

    The early days of Athens

    Chapter 9: Greek civilization

    How the cities were ruled

    Solon, Cleisthenes and Pericles

    Everyday Life

    Other members of the family

    Art and Pottery

    Ships and trade

    The Gods

    Chapter 10: The Persian Wars

    The Persian Empire

    Persian rulers

    The Battle of Marathon

    Thermophylae

    Salamis

    Chapter 11: Pericles and the Golden Age

    The wise men of Greece

    Slavery

    Clothes

    The Acropolis and its buildings

    Greek legends

    Music

    A day at the theatre

    The Oracles

    Chapter 12: Athletics and games

    Legend of Pelops

    Olympia

    The Olympic Games

    Other games and pastimes

    Chapter 13: The Peloponnesian wars

    Sparta

    Why the war started

    Soldiers and battles

    Athens is conquered

    Chapter 14: Alexander the Great

    Early days

    The army

    Battles and sieges

    Persepolis

    Alexander’s last battle

    Death of a conqueror

    The empire is divided up

    Chapter 15: Greece conquered

    The Romans come to Greece

    Greece becomes a Roman province

    The Greek legacy

    PART 3: The Romans

    Chapter 16: Origins

    The legend of Aeneas

    The legend of Romulus and Remus

    The truth behind the legends

    The early kings

    Sabines and Romans

    The Etruscans

    Horatius and the bridge

    The Celts

    Chapter 17: Rome and her neighbours

    The Greeks

    Carthage

    A sea fight

    Hannibal and the Punic Wars

    Chapter 18: The City of Rome

    What Rome may have looked like

    Aqueducts

    The baths

    Temples

    Private houses and flats

    Shops

    Nero’s Golden House

    Chapter 19: Republic and empire

    Why the kingdom ended

    The republic and its end

    The early emperors

    The empire expands

    The decline of the glory

    Chapter 20: Daily Life

    Pompeii

    Food and Drink

    Clothes

    Education

    Time and the Calendar

    Painting, sculpture, drama and literature

    Earning a living

    Games and pastimes

    Chapter 21: The state and religion

    Government and the law

    Religion and legends

    Christianity

    Slavery

    Chapter 22: The arena

    The amphitheatre

    The Colosseum

    Gladiators

    The Circus Maximus

    Chapter 23: The army

    The citizen soldier and the legion

    Uniform, weapons and tactics

    Siege engines

    Marching camps

    The officers

    Roman roads

    Chapter 24: Barbarians at the Gate

    Barbarians settle inside the frontiers

    Some provinces are abandoned

    Constantine, his town and the division of the empire

    Alaric and the sack of Rome

    More Barbarian attacks

    The Byzantine Empire lasts another thousand years

    POSTCRIPT: The legacy of Rome

     

    alice
    Participant

    Linda,
    Thank you, thank you!!  That is a HUGE help!!  Thank you for taking the time to put this up for us!Laughing
    Alice

    You are most welcome, I really hope it helps.  Linda

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