Need help with school planning for 5 children

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  • Jen
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    Okay, so I have been going round and round with my school plans. I just can’t figure out how to plan our day and get everything done: prayer/Bible, school, chores, cooking, etc, etc, etc…Here is what I’m up against. 7 kids (5 homeschooling) and a new baby due in Oct. I will be trying to juggle grades (older set) 9th ,7th  & 6th (younger set) 2nd & 1st + a 3 yr old and 18 mo. old, under foot + a new born baby! my younger set is not reading yet and so they have to have every lesson guided except for copywork. My older set need lots of one-on-one for math and spelling/dictation. I was planning on studing ancient history this year but because of the age gaps I need two read aloud time to cover all the material. Then there is chores, we have way to many of them and to few people willing to do the work! We have a very small house and if it’s messy I just can’t think, so this is not something I can just look the other way on. In years past I have tried breakfast then chores then school but sometimes length of chores + kid drama would get in the way and school would never happen. I have tried taking Fridays and cleaning the whole house but by Monday it’s a complete mess again and I can’t start a new homeschool week like that. So this year I was thinking of taking Mondays to deep clean, then schooling Tue-Sat. Having breakfast and then school and pushing chores until after lunch. Last year it was all to much for me to handle and so we spent 6 months unschooling. When I went to test my kids this year, the older ones were a year behind in math + their spelling and grammar were horrible! So unschoolling is not a good choice for us. What are your thoughts? What has/hasn’t worked for you? I need fresh ideas…PLEASE HELP!!!

    binky
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    I have the same issue. My plan this year is to get up first thing and do the next step in laundry whether that be start a load or switch a load. Empty the dishwasher so dishes can go straight in after bfast and lunch then focus strictly on school until we are done. After that we will do chores then play until time for after school activities and dinner. I’m not sure if this will work but this is my plan. Last year, I tended to get bogged down with straightening and trying to “stay behind the mess” while I was schooling but then I ran out of day and never got finished. This year I will have more kids actually at school age as well as a toddler running around. Now if I could just get my actual school schedule set and figure out how to make IT work.

    pinkchopsticks
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    8 angels…I hear you about not being able to think with a messy house. With the ages of your kids I would think the oldest five dc should be able to contribute fairly independantly once trained. I give each child the same daily chores for the whole year. I train them at the beginning of the school year…alotting extra time to walk them through it so it is done right.

    You have a lot of little ones and with a baby on the way I would think the simpler the school schedule the better. I also have an older set- 9th and 6th and a younger set -3rd and K. I actually group my older 3 together and follow the main read alouds for the module. My oldest reads her extra high school books independantly. The oldest also has a half hour slot during the day where she does the read alouds for my Kindergardener.

    I am not an organized person. What really helped me was putting it all down on paper. For chores that meant figuring out what needed to be done and assigning them to the appropriate person. For school it meant mapping out our day to see how I could fit is all in and still get done in a reasonable amount of time. I think seeing things visually mapped out helps me.

    jeaninpa
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    I think the key is that you need your older children to do a huge chunk of the housekeeping.  My kids have a “zone” that they are responsible for, and the goal is that by the time they are 12 or 13 they can do everything around the house including meal prep and child care.  Not that we have always attained that, but it is the goal  Smile.Then set aside a few times during your day where everyone is in charge of getting their zone in order.  First, we would do a five minute pick-up so everyone had to pick up their stuff and put it away, and then the zone person could be in charge of left over miscellaneous.  

    Jen
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    It helps to know I am  not alone in this, so thank you for your ideas and support.

     I really like ,Jeaninpa, idea of zones, but having a general pickup first, I think I will try that. In the past I have had the three older kids each take care of a room, but with so many little ones and so many messes , we just couldn’t keep up with all the pickup and deep cleaning chores and school. It seems like we are always changing up the plan trying to make something work. The longest a system has ever worked for me was 3 weeks, so you can see why I’m so burnt out.

    I think part of the problem is I am not a very schedule person. No matter how I try I can’t seem to stick to a schedule. I guess the closes I come to a routine is: in the mornings I switch laundry, after lunch I switch laundry and in the evenings I fold clothes. This keep laundry moving but nothing else!

    Another problem is that I let me kids bad/unhelpful attitudes get to me and leave me heavy hearted, I have a hard time starting school like that and many times just throw in the towel and give up for the day. Maybe I need to focus on more character training in myself and my children but as far as that goes I really don’t know where to start.

    chocodog
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    I agree with Jeaninpa – We zone clean here also. We do it on Monday and Thursday. We go to the Library on Friday so the house isn’t to messy for the weekend this is our reward too :).  I also found an idea on my pinterest that I might try. It goes something like this….   Daily MOrning- Make Beds, Wipe down breakfast counters, Empty dishwasher.

    Night- Load Dishwasher, Wipe down kitchen counters, Take out trash, Quick sweep or vaccum,especially in the kitchen. Spot clean the floor or swiffer. Declutter livingroom with pick up basket. Chore of the day below.

    Weekly- MOnday- Deep Vacuum.    Tuesday- Clean mirrors and windows.   Wednesday- Scrub the tolets and tubs.  Thursday- Mop the floors.  Friday Swing Day.  Saturday- Laundry.

       Swing Day- 1st-  Wipe down all furnitur and Cabinets.   2nd-scrub, microwave,& fridge   3rd- Wipe down the walls.   4th Spot clean upholstery & rugs.

       I do rely on my older kids. If they are not helping teach the younger ones then you are at a disadvantage. They are old enough to do major chores and even teach younger children to read. They already know how to read and it is fresh in their minds. I personally like Bob books.  If they don’t know their alphabet they can go over the letters everyday with them.  Have a buddy system. They are in charge of a younger sibling. They have to make sure they help them get ready in the morning, dressed, ready for breakfast, teeth brushed, hair combed,ect… and when you go somewhere they can make sure they have their socks and shoes on and tied. No stains on the clothes and their water bottle and/snacks in their bag in the van. They can help them make their beds, and finish their chores for the day. To get the old children on board you tell them they are in training for adulthood. They should be able to do every chore in the house by the time they are 13.  You are to prepare them to be adults. Taking care of children is a big part of growing up. You want them to make sure when you leave the house they feel they can do that job properly. 🙂 

     A Story about this…..  I must say my daughter was so please that she knew how to take care of her siblings. She said,” that was one thing that I taught her well.” When she was in High School she was over a friends house. The mother had a baby and asked her friend to hold it. The baby needed to be burped. Her friend didn’t know how to burp him.  My daughter took the baby from her and told her it needed to be burped twice. Burped the baby and when the mom saw she new how to burp the baby properly, told her she knew more then she did about a baby. My daughter beamed from ear to ear as she retold me that story. 

      So, you see even a youngster can do a great job of taking care of a baby. People were afraid when my son 8 could hold a baby. I told them he has been doing it for years. He has 2 younger siblings. 🙂  I would let them feed them too. Sure they will make some mistakes. That is why you watch them until they are confident. It will take some time but they will be doing it in no time. It will be second nature to them and they won’t think anything about it after awhile. A new baby is a great time to start getting all that help. Everyone wants to prepare and help with a new baby. Now is your chance to get them to help you prepare. The baby is going to need a place to stay, lets make that place wonderful. What can we do?  Have them brainstorm. Then, team them up older with younger for the project. See who works well together on the project and that can be a permanent chore team.

      Good luck with this. I hope I was of some help. if not maybe someone else on here has some better ideas.

                           Blessings!

    chocodog
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    Oh, I almost forgot!  If you put things together you can get your reading and history together and get those done for the older children. They can be reading their books to a younger sibling. Killing 3 birds with one stone. You can also do this with Science and Reading. (Nature Readers are a good start with the younger ones.)

       Math can be done individually and they can go over the younger siblings match up math. There are some good sites to teach numbers. We make file folders. I have one with balloons and you have to match the balloons with the number of balls the juggler is juggling. I don’t remember the website but maybe you could google it. This is a wonderful tool and older kids could help with that.  I think you could do some things like music and art together also.  Maybe you would be better doing a Unit Study with all of them.  Ok, I will let someone else chime in with some ideas.

                        Blessings!

    Jen
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    Wow thank you so much Chocodog for all your great ideas! I think your point about training then to be adults is a very good one and I don’t know if I have ever brought that up to my kids. I will give that some thought.

     Some things I have tried: Unit Studies do not work for my family, we tried that last year, what I found was the older kids needed more advanced work/reading and my younger kids just got in the way when the material was borning to them. I think it has to do with the age gap between the 2 sets. We also have tried the buddy system, we did this for a few years, I decided to give it up when I could no longer get my older kids to help a younger child unless they were his/her buddy! That was one fight I couldn’t deal with, so now I try to stress everyone is their brother (or sisters) keeper and when I need more help,  I have an older kid as”babysitter” for the two younger kids.

    Since I posted and received all you support and great ideas, I have worked out a plan. I would love to share it with you, ladies, and see what you think..please be honest, I need your wisdom!…

    Jen
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    Schedule: Monday – Saturday:

    7am: Mom/ Dad’s morning time(shower/coffee, prayer etc)

    7:30: Everyone up and Morning Duties( dress, make beds, pick-up floor)

    8am: Breakfast and quick 5 min. “clean-up” breakfast job + brush teeth/hair (Switch laundry- goal two loads a day)

    8:30: Family Devotions + Bible(Mon & Sat) Faith Formation ( Wed. & Fri) Poetry ( Tues & Thur.)

    9am-9:30: Mondays: Deep Cleaning Zones until done( Mom chore training were needed and doing kids laundry)

    Tue. – Fri. Guided: “school” with my preschoolers, while everyone else works independently: Copywork and start on English(PLL or ILL)

    Sat. Map Skills and Reading Comprehension books ( I go grocery shopping on Sat. mornings, while my husband is home for the kids)

    9:30-10:15: Tue- Fri. Guided: 9th grader , Help with English, Dictation(Spelling) and Algebra

     Independent work: 6 & 7th grader:  finish English & start math

    Play with per-schoolers: 1 & 3rd grader

    Saturdays: Everyone does Science reading and projects ( children closes in age work out of same Apologia Science book)

    10:15-11 am: Tue.-Fri. Guided: 1-3 rd grader: Reading lesson and Math

    Play with preschoolers & make snack: 6th & 7th grader

    Independent study: 9th grader (finishing Math and all other work)

    11- 11:45: Guided: 6-9th graders: Tue- Thur. Latin & History/geography , Fri. Latin & Art

    Play with per-schoolers: 1-3rd grader

    11:45-12:30 Guided:6th & 7th grader: go over math/english and Dictation(Spelling)

    Play with all other younger kids: 9th grader

    12:30- 1pm: Read aloud to everyone ( Narriations from 1 & 3rd grader on Tue, Wed. they copy this dictation, Thur. they illustrate it)

    1-2pm: Lunch + Zone Cleaning ( Switch laundry)

    2-3: quiet time/ naps (my down time, emails, etc)

     

    The only problem I can see is that my 1-3rd grader will be with the pre-schooler for 45 min. at a time…I was thinking that if first thing in the morning I set my pre-schoolers up with an play dough activities/not too messy art project then my 1-3rd grader could do that with them. Then during 11-11:45 they could all play in one bedroom close to the living room- where I will be teaching latin and history…

    I also decided (ideas for someones post but can’t remember who-sorry! )… 1.that during lunch time I will use paper plates to help with clean up and that during dinner the night before I will set aside some for lunch the next day… 2. I sorted through everyones clothes and we made stacks of 6 outfits ea. ( bottoms, tops, underware and sock) so that’s all the clothes they have in their rooms, ( I kept 2 emergency outfits per kids, in my room, just in case) hopefully this will cut down on the 12-14 loads of laundry I do a week…Okay so thats what I got so far…what do you think?

     

    Jen in Oz
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    8angels, I just wanted to say I get worn down by my kids’ bad reactions too. 

    I have 4 boys, spread out with 3 year gaps. 

    I said to my husband the other day when he commented that I had stopped menu planning that I was sick of the complaints about meals.  There is barely a meal that goes by without at least one person complaining about it.  When there are 5 people available to complain and even if they only complained once each a week that only gives me 2 days of hopefully no one complaining if I somehow hit the jackpot of cooking 6 meals they all like at once, yeah right?!

    I really hope your plan works.  It looks like you have thought it out really well.

    Best wishes

    Jen in Oz

    curlywhirly
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    I don’t have a passel of young kids all at the same time (*smiles*) but all 4 of my kids are special needs, live at home and pretty much keep me hopping all the time. I have a couple suggestions that may help.

    1) Chore Check Lists. I recently implemented a similar system to the one on this blog http://madsmemories.blogspot.com/2010/05/how-do-i-stay-organized-let-me-count.html  I have 2 young adult sons living at home who couldn’t seem to remember how to clean the kitchen, but now they have a check list and don’t have an excuse. 😉 The thing I love about them is that they can be such a great tool to instruct, and the last item on each list- double check that you did everything well!

    2) It seems like you may need to pick a few non-negotiables and get on track with those, and then slowly add things as you feel more confident. For me, the first non-negotiable would be the habits needed to get through the day with minimal problems. Obedience, attention, cheerfulness, whatever it may be for your family. The next step would be getting through a handful of school subjects each day consistently, then adding more slowly as you are able.

    3) Change up how you get things done. Perhaps one of your older kids could do some read aloud during a meal, or you could get an audio book and listen during a meal or  in the car if you ave daily errands. The older kids could take turns with the little ones while you have your one on one time with the other one. Maybe you could do some subjects in the evenings when your hubby is home to help.

    4) Try using a timer for chores or school subjects. Once 20 minutes (less for the young ones) is over, its time to move on. Short lessons promote the habit of attention, and help the kids not feel so overwhelmed.

    You have a lot on your plate. Be kind to yourself and persevere, I think you will be able to bring some order to the chaos.

     

    LDIMom
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    I wanted to add 8angels that I can relate! We have 6 children ages 13 to 2 years of age. Our house always seems either cluttered or dirty. Laundry? Never all done.

    I wanted to say though on the laundry that our two older sons do all of their own, including washing their sheets and replacing them when clean as well as their bath and hand towels. They do a great job and it wasn’t so hard to train them really. They are 13 and 12 years old. And then our 10YO son also does his clothes laundry. I still help him with his sheets and towels, but he washes and dries and folds/puts away his clothes.

    This cut down on my laundry drastically. Maybe you could try something like this as well.

    Your schedule looks great. I have a similar one too, but I still struggle to keep up. I think I’m going to revise mine more into blocks of time with certain things in it.

    Jen
    Participant

    I just want to thanks all you ladies who have responded to my post…you are so awesome and your great ideas have given me a fresh outlook!!! Keep praying, it’s helping 🙂

    Jen
    Participant

    After reading many more post on homeschooling and housework, I can see this is a common problem. Do you ladies think it’s even possible to homeschool in a clean house? Or are we asking to much of ourselves and our children? Maybe I need to lower my expectation to meet my reality? Any thoughts on this?

    Tristan
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    I wanted to hop in here to share what we do. I have seven children age 11 and under, the youngest one with medical needs that take care multiple times a day. Schooling in a clean house is totally possible IF:

    – you have a realistic expectation of clean. We don’t have things piled everywhere but little ones typically have a toy out on the floor.

    – you have decluttered everything so everything has it’s own place and the surfaces are not piled with things. There should not be more toys available for a child than they can put away themself in 5 minutes. Less is better! Get rid of or pack into tubs the rest and change toys every few weeks. Go through books/papers/magazines/dishes and get rid of extras.

    – your whole family (mom+kids) works daily on chores.

    Personally I feel that if children are not willing to do their chores then everything needs dropped until they do. All extras, all fun, and even school. We also operate on the biblical principle that you must work or you don’t eat. (2 Thes 3:10: For even when we were with you, this we commanded you, that if any would not work, neither should he eat.) Chores must be done or you do not eat at meal or snack time. If you finish and meal time is over you must wait until the next scheduled time to eat. My kitchen closes and you’re not free to grab food. It doesn’t take too many times fro this one to sink in. 😉

    All my children have chores except the 7 month old. The 1 1/2 yr old just picks up things or helps me in my chores. The 3 year old cleans his room with brothers, makes his bed, puts away his laundry, washes table and chairs, picks up downstairs if needed, and loads/unloads the dishwasher, helps set the table. The 4 year old does all that plus can use the hand vacuum and cleans the enclosed porch. The 6 year old does all that and is totally responsible for one bathroom. She helps cook. The 7 year old does those things and is responsible for the other bathroom. (I don’t clean bathrooms at all anymore!) He can also help care for the baby pretty well. The 11 year old can run the house. Literally. She is responsible for floors as her big job (I don’t sweep/vacuum anymore either!). She can care for the younger children including the medical needs of the baby.

    Laundry – the baby is in my bedroom and I do his laundry plus mine and hubby’s. Then there are 3 kids in each of the other two bedrooms. They are responsible for doing their laundry from start to finish. Oldest in the room starts it. Next oldest switches load to dryer. Then they all put away clothes (we don’t fuss about folding).

    We do 5 minute pickups as needed. The little ones are productively engaged close by during school so cleanup is easily accomplished, there is not an opportunity to make a disaster. We teach them to pick up and put away each thing before grabbing a new one (the 1 year old is obviously still learning this one).

    Hold on to hope! It is possible. We’re in a small house for the 9 of us less than 1200 sq ft). Decluttering makes a big difference. if there is too much available to get out then you and the kids will have a hard time keeping things tidy.

    ((HUGS)) Sometimes it seems too hard to take time off school to get the housework chore system in place and things decluttered, with attitudes fixed along the way, but it is 100% worth it! It reminds me of the Smooth and Easy Days ebook here on SCM, a little bit of work to smooth out those things now gives us less friction and smooth and easy days the rest of the year.

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