Math help please

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  • 2Corin57
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    I would like recommendations for a good mastery-based math program for a wiggly, easily distracted boy of age 9.

    We are currently using CLE, have been for a year, and it’s becoming torture. On one hand he does well with it (as in he’s getting his answers right), but the lessons are far too long. It’s taking us an hour to get through a lesson, and that’s if we cross out problems!

    He is sooooo distracted during math. Granted, he has SPD, but, even still.. for example today: he wiggled, he fidgeted, he tapped, he played with his hair, he hummed, he made popping sounds with his lips, at one point he stared off and started to tell me about Superheros, and when he doesn’t know the math fact – rather than utilize problem solving methods (such as counting on/back, using doubles etc…), he stops and basically starts daydreaming, I think waiting for the answer to magically come to him. Or maybe he IS trying to figure it out but then gets distracted. *sigh* He and I are both completely exhausted by the end of math. And it’s only math that he struggles like this with. He can do reading, grammar, copywork etc… without any problems.

    But, even distractability aside, I still think the lessons are too long (on average up to 50 individual problems per lesson), and it’s sooooo spiral that it’s hard to really cut out much of the lesson. I mean, when you only give a kid a few questions in one lesson, and then move on to a new topic the next lesson… you end up with lessons that have 4 or 5 concepts that you NEED to review, so… it’s hard to cross much out.

    So…

    I know that 1. we need to make the lessons shorter 2. I need a program that is going to work with his distractability and 3. I really think that mastery would be better so we can move on to what he needs.

    In all honestly, most of what he needs is math fact review for +/- and to learn his times tables. He fully understands that multiplying is repeated addition, that division is separating a number into even groups, has a solid grasp of fractions, measurement, calendar, time, early geometry (including understanding lines, rays, line segments, angles etc…). So I’m sitting wondering, why are we killing ourselves for a program that is a lot of review, that just doesn’t seem to be a good fit?

    2Corin57
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    I’m toying with just taking a break from math this year, and letting him focus on Math Seeds on the computer (which he loves), and then doing a speed drill book/flashcards for the facts (he loves speed drills). The rest of the topics can come about through living math – hands on application, math story books etc… This would allow us to regroup, really figure out strengths/weaknesses, and would allow us to really research a solid math program for the future. Thoughts?

    Tristan
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    Okay, I would suggest Math U See for several reasons.

    1. Mastery based.

    2. Hands on manipulatives for figuring out the answer to those math facts. My response to a child who is hemming and hawing, asking me for help with a fact, etc, is “Build it.” They literally grab the pieces and do it.

    3. Not a large number of problems. Generally a day’s worksheet has 12-20 problems. (12 problem pages are more involved problems, like long division or a word problem with several steps). 3 of those pages in a chapter are just on the new concept they are learning. Do 1 page or do all 3 that week if needed. Then the next 3 pages available have the new concept and a mix of practice problems for past concepts. Again, you can do 1 review page or all 3 if needed over the week. The tests are set up exactly like the review pages, some problems on the new concept and some review problems, so it is up to you if you even bother using the tests in the younger years or if you just designate doing well on a review page as passing the lesson.

    As for taking a break – I did it with my oldest for 6 months in late 2nd grade. We were using Saxon and having tears every day, so we dumped it and just forgot math existed. Then in 3rd grade we started Math U See from the very beginning in Alpha. She’s 10th grade now and doing Geometry this year, we just did math semi-consistently over summers too (we always do for all kids, even if it is just review) and she caught up to where she traditionally would have been a couple years ago. Then summer math became mostly review instead of new lessons.

    Renee
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    I started with Singapore and went to CLE last year (we/I thought a workbook break might be a good thing. It was – at first. It got old… fast! I’m back with renewed desire to further implement CM methods in our home). We are back to Singapore. I like the mental math focus, but it’s not going as smoothly this year since our break last year – my oldest lost a LOT of his mental math abilities 🙁 Toward the end he and I were both beyond burned out so I was having him skip a good chunk each day just to get through, picking and choosing the best I could.

    MUS intrigues me… I can see such huge leaps using Spelling You See and I wonder just how much it would help.

    cdm2kk
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    I don’t know anything about mastery programs, except I tried Mammoth Math with my son and found that he mastered addition superbly and then we moved on to subtraction, which at the end began to include addition as well and that is when I learned that he had mastered subtraction and promptly forgot everything about addition. He looked at me like he had never seen addition before. I had to pull out older work and prove he had!! So, I quickly got him back on a spiral program.  I was then playing catch up because I felt like we had just lost so much time and wasted so much energy. I hated hated hated flashcards as a kid and as an adult still dislike them a lot, so I was looking for something unique because obviously my son’s memory is crap. I blame his father…. LOL  selective memory I say… Anyway, I was successful…. I found a DVD called Times Tales to teach multiplication / Division facts and it has been a God send!! I used it with both my kids and to this day neither have any problems recalling their facts and I never touched a flash card!!  Oh and the Times Tale taught them in about 2-3 weeks. I loaned the DVD to a friend and she had her public school daughter watch it over the Christmas holidays and when she went back the teacher was so impressed, she wanted to know what the mom did.  So, I would highly recommend it for sure regardless of what math curriculum you go with. It really only teaches the harder ones, you still have to teach the 0’s, 1’s, 2’s, 5’s, 10’s, & 11’s, but those are so easy most kids get them pretty fast.

    Hope this helps you.

    mommamartha
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    I don’t have much to suggest in the line of mastery, but I handed my 7 year old a dry erase board and a calculator and asked him to write down all doubles to ten showing him what I wanted first and then everyday for a week he opened with this. my 1o yr. old daughter did the same and they corrected each others. Also, now the 10 yr. old daughter teaches 7yo boy hers because he’s interested. Also, 10 yo. did same for multiplication( with dry erase board) and he learned times through her dry erase board answers we all corrected together.

    Also, I made a times table board game on a poster board drawing of all the times math facts to 11 of a jungle scene. For example 1 river with 11 fish each fish having a
    1X _. You make a spinner or a die to decide number of jumps. If you get the math question correct you get to roll again. Potentially, they can win on their first turn if they know many of their times table math facts. I hand out bubble baths or doing their reading with their rabbit as an award!

    My ten yr. old still for fun carries around the calculator and completes math problems. Larger screen with larger push button model. they got them in their Christmas stockings. Hope these help! Blessings, Martha

    Jamie
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    We use right start math and I really like it and I feel like my daughter (who gets easily distracted in general) is learning a lot with it. She applies what she has learned in real life situations without any prompting – she is making connections on her own, which I love! I find the lessons to be long, but Im breaking the longer ones up into two days. Anyways, they have a math games book that you can I think buy separately, and I find that it’s a good reinforcement of the basics. There are literally hundreds of games in the book, mostly played with cards (we use the number cards that came in the set but you could probably use regular cards). It’s a fun way to reinforce addition, subtraction, multiplication, etc.

    sarah2106
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    As someone who grew up doing Saxon from 4th grade on, I really like MUS a lot! Mastery with review has been a great fit. My oldest is in Epsilon this year.

    I like that it us not “all over” introducing new concepts and the built in review has been enough to keep things fresh. Sometimes my kids will forget a portion (my DD had to be reminded of how to regroup with multiplication at one point when she was working in Delta) but with the DVD’s I simply pulled out that lesson, she watch it and the lightbulb goes on 🙂 TheDVDs help me be consistant and they way he teaches so far has worked for my less “mathy” DD and my “natural math” ODS.

    The length of the lessons are right on too. 15-25 problems and even when my DD was in Delta doing long division lesson rarely even reached 20 min. My ODS rarely more than 10-15 min on a lesson. They are “no frill” to the point, which so far is working great.

    the kids also play TimzAttack to practice math facts 3-4 times/week. They think it is fun and prefer it over xtramath. Takes only 5-10 minutes.

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