Math Curriculum – yet again!

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  • suzukimom
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    Ok, I know we keep discussing math curriculums recently…..

    I’m just trying to decide on some things.

    We have been using MEP… my daughter (5) is in MEP 1B right now, and my son (7, almost 8) is in MEP 2A right now – almost finished the 2A level.

    When we started with MEP, my kids would always want to do math first.  My daughter would ask to do math (she stareted the Reception level just after her 4th birthday as she kept begging for math, and was learning a fair bit from watching her brother’s year 1 while I worked with him… and they were nice enough to post the Reception level right about then.   Until this week, she was often asking to do math during our little break (which unfortunately I generally was in the middle of something that I couldn’t do it with her.)

    But as we have been working on the 2A level with my son – which is mostly addition/subtraction of a 2 digit number and a 1 digit number (first without “crossing 10’s” but now starting too…) – he has started not liking it more and more… and although he can often figure things out, it is something he seems to be struggling with a bit.   Then the other day (after a bit of a break) I did some math with my daughter… well more like left her to do the first exercise on her own as she knew what she was doing…. but she struggled with keeping focus (there is a LOT of ADHD diagnoses in the immediate family and I figure she would probably be diagnosed with it….) – and didn’t enjoy it.  The next day we finished that exercise with me redirecting her focus to the problem all the time….

    Now we have recently been using Khan Academy for some review (for the last week or so) and they seem to enjoy that.  Although I know of a few people using it for a sole curriculum, I think it is missing things like mathematical thinking (in a way hard to describe) and word problems….  but I love it for practice.  I am hoping that it might help my son get over the struggles he is having.

    So now here is what I’ve been trying to work out.  MEP was designed for use in a school, and has about 180 lessons a year… which is a FULL 36 weeks of work.  Now, I’m not saying my kids haven’t needed most of them (we have skipped some… as we didn’t take a long summer break last year, we cut out the review at the start of 2a…)  So I can’t see trying to do both Khan Academy and MEP next year.  

    I love MEP, I like how it does stuff.  It does make the kids think.  I like that it does subtraction and addition at the same time… and also does questions like  4+?=9.  I like the puzzles and stuff.  And my kids seem to too…. or at least the seemed to.

    And so I am starting to wonder if there is something else out there that would work better for them.  But we don’t have a lot of money…. honestly if it wasn’t that CM allows you to use so many free resources (classic books etc), thrift shops with 25cents-1dollar children’s books, and Book Samaritan – I don’t know how we could do this at all.    I’d be tempted to ask Book Samaritan for Right Start (in case they have it…. not sure if I’d be likely to get the manipulatives…) – but I wouldn’t be assured of getting the next levels etc.  And it’d be starting over in a way.

    I know I’m just going on and on… but I’m just not sure what to do.

    Sue
    Participant

    You are not alone….MEP worked very well for my 13yo who was doing 7A last year, mostly on her own with the interactive material.  She generally doesn’t like math, but she likes doing it on her own for the most part.  I’m thinking we’ll keep using it for her.  I can also see using it again for my 10yo, although it seems like math is no longer her very favorite subject.  I don’t know if it was the change in curriculum or not.  She has done very well with MEP, though.

    My reason for mulling over the math issue is my son.  He’s two weeks away from 12yo, has mild autism, frustrates easily, takes forever to memorize math facts (as in, he’s still working on the “3+” facts and barely remembers the 2’s), and he counts to add all the time.  (Right Start discourages “counting,” don’t they?)  He did not get very far with MEP and always thought of math as “let’s get it over with.”

    I am just not sure where to go with my son.  We’re pretty much done with the school budget now….happily, I’ve purchased 99% of everything else (just need one Spelling Wisdom book!), but I will not be able to spend $50, $100, or whatever on a complete math program for him.  If I could find something used or piece together math materials that would actually work for him, I’d be happy as a clam. (Are clams really happy creatures?)

    Sue

    suzukimom
    Participant

    So I know it has been discussed a lot…. but any other thoughts?

    Richele Baburina
    Participant

    Hi Sue and suzukimom,

    Here are some ideas based on CM-methods and they won’t cost anything:

    1)Slow down.  Even +1, +2, +3 can last a long time before moving on.  Let the child use his or her senses by seeing, and touching the number via concrete objects.  Next, use the manipulative to help them imagine other things numbered.  Then see if the child can do the same types of problems without the use of the manipulatives.  Once they can, don’t use the manipulative but take the manipulatives out again when you take him/her further on. This may seem to take longer but will build a stronger foundation.

    2)Guess what – children in Charlotte’s schools were allowed to count with their fingers in the early stages!  Her teachers believed that with the proper training children would discard the practice on their own. 

    3)Give your children some playful questions such as:  Two boys were walking a dog.  How many legs between them? Ones we use in our home, since one boy is two years younger than his brother, is to ask how old L  will be when M is such-and-such an age.  We use a cousin’s name who is three years older.  This is great fun for +2’s, -2’s, +3, -3 etc.  Have the children make up questions of their own.

    4)Add in some living books.  They don’t have to be just about wherever you are in your curriculum.  “What’s Your Angle, Pythagoras?” (not completely historically accurate) or “Blockhead:  The Life of Fibonacci” show young boys/men both grappling with and enjoying mathematics.

    I hope those ideas help, we’ve been where you are.

    Warmly,

    Richele

    Richele Baburina
    Participant

    Sue, I just saw in another post that your son doesn’t like to use counters.  My son didn’t like blocks at all but he will work with pebbles that we pretend are sheep.  -Richele

    4myboys
    Participant

    Richele,

    Good point: perhaps allowing the child to create their own collection to use as counters would help make the experience more meaningful – pebbles for instance — bottle caps, sea shells, etc. 

    I wonder, could you also get a couple different coloured bingp daubbers from the dollar store and let them use it on contruction paper.  I’ve seen children who love marking and making pictures with these.  You could use them to illustrate math problems, and using a ten frames may help to recognize 5 & 10 without counting them.  I can picture what I mean in my head, just not sure if I’m making myself clear.

     

    joannarammell
    Participant

    I agree with Richele here.

    You have all the years before algebra 1 which can be done as early as ~8th grade and as late as 10th grade to get the basics down flat.  Focus on that.  Use anything and everything. 

    When you garden, have them using seeds as counters–putting 2 seeds in ea hole, putting 4 seeds into little cups to use later, etc.  making up problems you need solved…or counting out a number of items without counting–group instead…use coins, silverware etc.

    If you eat stuff like this, using M&M’s is very fun for children…and subtraction is definitely utilized!
    jo
     

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