Math advice – 9 yo

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  • Melissa Rex
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    Recently, I received some great suggestions for my youngest daughter for Math on this forum.  I purchased Ray’s for Today level 1, and I have the SCM Living Math book. Now, my (soon to be) 9 year old daughter has bounced around with various math curriculum over the years. Her big issue – she does not like writing!!  She has been doing CLE 3 this year. She’s doing well with the work, but she breaks down in tears every day. I think there is too much review (spiral), and not enough work on the topic being introduced.

    I saw that Ray’s for Today is going to release level 3 & 4 this year. I messaged them asking about release dates, but I haven’t received a response yet. I’m not sure if this would be the best choice anyway (without seeing it). My daughter says she only wants to do (at most) a front and back of one workbook page each day. She has a good knowledge of addition (with carrying), subtraction (with borrowing), and times tables (up to 11).  I was considering the Pet Store curriculum, but I think I should save that for when she has a stronger foundation including division, so maybe the following year.

    I am not interested in starting Right Start with her at this point. I don’t want a $300 investment in math. I also don’t care for Math-U-See. I want to cover more than one topic in the year. Things such as money, time, weights, measures… are just as important in my opinion.

    I would love to hear some suggestions from this knowledgeable group. Has anyone been in a similar situation and can share their experience and solution?  I need to find a core math curriculum for this August. Also, should I keep pushing CLE?  We finish at the end of June and start back the first Monday in August.

    Melanie32
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    I just wanted to jump in and share a bit about Math U See. It does cover all of the things that you mentioned. They are interspersed throughout the curriculum. There is also quite a bit of review of previous concepts studied throughout the curriculum. Math U See is great for kids who struggle with writing because the pages are neat and clean and they aren’t crowded or overwhelming at all like so many other math curricula can be.

    I just wanted to share because I was thinking Math U See as I read your post until I came across your not wanting to use it. No pressure from this corner! I simply wanted to share my thoughts and clear up the misconception about MUS teaching time, measurements, etc. I see and hear that comment quite often and I’d hate to see someone miss out on what may be the perfect math curriculum for their child because of a misconception. You can go to the MUS website and look at the scope and sequence to see what is taught in which books. There is much more than one concept taught in each text. The main focus of the text is on teaching one concept thoroughly but many other concepts are taught and even more are reviewed.

    I have successfully used MUS with 2 very different students from Beta to Algebra 1 (we don’t use Alpha as I find it unnecessary). Make that 3 students because I must include myself! I finally understand math (even Algebra!) for the first time in my life.

    Unfortunately, I tried other curriculum for my son after Algebra 1. I so wish I had stuck with MUS! Now my daughter is finishing up Algebra 1 and getting ready to begin Geometry. I plan on sticking with Math U See this time around!

     

     

    retrofam
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    You may not like my suggestions,  but it may help you think about the issue:)

    For packaged curriculum three come to mind.  1. Math-U-See- because she can do only as many worksheets as needed to learn the concept,  which is a built-in reward (skipping pages).

    My other two options use stories,  which I understand that Charlotte did not use, but I use for my most reluctant math students.

    It’s the spoonful of sugar that my dd8 and ds15 need to motivate them to complete math daily without the avoidance, and tears from dd8. Because there is a story,  there are way fewer problems.

    So, 2. is Math Lessons for a Living Education and 3. is Life of Fred.

    If none of that sounds good,  all I can think of is doing your own with Strayer Upton books and the SCM book,  but it wouldn’t be independent.

     

    Melissa Rex
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    I’m not worried about independent learning in Math. I considered Math Lessons for a Living Education. Someone on this forum stated that that would not be enough to do alone – that it could complement another program.

    I’ll consider looking at Math U See again. If I go with Math U See, any recommendations on where to start?

    retrofam
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    I disagree about Math Lessons for a Living Education not being enough,  but people say the same thing about Life of Fred.  The perception is that if there aren’t the usual amount of problems, then it’s not enough.   It depends on the individual student in my opinion.   Kids want short lessons.  Adults want mastery. One curriculum can’t customize to each learner very well,  except Math U See.

    For Math U See placement,  maybe Gamma?   They have an online placement test but it’s long.

    You may be able to look at the scope and sequence for Beta and determine if she is past that.

    Melissa Rex
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    I will check that out. Thank you.

    April
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    We use CLE and one of my daughters find it really repetitive and too much after she has the knowledge down.  I don’t make her do every problem.  I go through the lesson right after I check over the lesson before and mark out a good portion of the lesson, but I do make her review at least 1 or 2 problems and she has to do all the story problems not matter what.  She is doing really well with math and has a firm understanding finally after going through MUS and RightStart.  She was so frustrated with those programs, but basic old fashion math of CLE is exactly what spoke to her and my other children also.  We use Ray’s (the original) for mental math and for fun.

    Wings2fly
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    We have been using CLE for a few years.  Earlier this year, I watched the SCM Living Math DVD with Richele and Sonya, along with reading the book.  I loved what I saw, but hated to leave CLE math.  The video leaves off at the beginning of simple fractions.  We were further than this in CLE.  But I was able to apply the CM methods to the CLE teacher’s manual.  We work the new lesson together using manipulatives where possible and a whiteboard.

    We work some problems orally and I try to put a fitting story with it.  For example, with 15 x 1/5 I would ask how much his share would be if he and four friends shared equally the cost of a $15 pizza.  As in real life, these often deal with money.  I could expand on that and say there were 8 slices (or 12) & ask how much each got to eat and how many leftover.  What to do with the remaining slices of pizza?  (critical thinking).  And don’t forget to ask “why?” to your student.  I think this is the most effective part of CM methods.  “Because 15 divided by five equals three.”  “Because five times two equals ten and twelve minus ten equals two.”

    I skipped similar problems if I could tell he knew it and had gotten the correct answer the first time.  Some problems that needed shown or worked out were done on the whiteboard.  Some days, we covered two lessons, skipping a lot of the review problems.  We do (2) 30 min. sessions past the 500 level.  You could alternate days where you use the whiteboard and oral questions with days using the light unit and cross out some redundant problems, for more independent days.  If you want to go to very little paper, use the alternate light unit tests in the TM once for each light unit.  I hate switching curriculum, especially math.  HTH.

    Richele Baburina
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    Hi Melissa,

    My boys sound like your daughter where writing was concerned.  Happily, with CM, writing is introduced in math gradually -in much the same way as oral narrations give way to written narrations in other subjects.  At 9, her lessons could be either 20 to 30 minutes –depending on the child– which would include the 5 minutes of mental math and work on tables.  Many of the problems may be worked orally, they should be engaging questions with sparse writing involved.  I don’t know CLE or the modern workbook RfT but if you want additional encouragement, there is a fb group called Charlotte Mason Math Together of moms using the SCM resources as their guide.

    Warmly,

    Richele

    Melanie32
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    I would scan the placement tests for several levels of Math U See to see which one would suit your daughter best.

    Melissa Rex
    Participant

    Rochelle, thank you for the FB support suggestion. I found it and clicked “join”. I answered the questions (on my iPad), but there’s no button to submit. I’ll try again later on my computer.

    Melissa Rex
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    I had my daughter take the placement tests for both gamma and delta.  She was very frustrated with the whole thing, but she placed I gamma. We’re still deciding…

    Richele Baburina
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    Oh, bummer, Melissa. I was told that happens with iPads sometimes and “refreshing” should solve it with the post/submit button. Sorry.

    R

    Ruralmama
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    I also would like to join the group. I submitted the 3 questions but wherected is the pinned post?

    Richele Baburina
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    Hi Roslyn,

    The questions were the pinned post.

    Best,

    Richele

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