Is anyone here using Logic of English by Denise Eide? I would love to hear feedback!! What ages/grades are you using it with? How does it compare to AAS or AAR?
Thanks so much,
I will not be able to explain much right now because of fuzzy thinking this morning but I do use Logic of English…sort of. I ended up putting together our own LA plan for this year with a focus on spelling using the Logic of English as our starting place and “guide”, so to speak. Workbooks have ALWAYS proven to be counterproductive for my dd 11 and so I am not using their already planned curriculum, however, I am utilizing their phonogragh learning app for all of my kids (yes, even the 11yr old! ) as part of the plan I put together for the year. I have watched most of her workshops for teachers as well and gone through her website more than once. It isn’t CM in nature, but after a lot of struggling, dh and I really thought we needed something more to help in this area and this seemed to be it. Using the basics if LoE I “CMed” things quite a bit and feel it should help a lot if used consistently. We used LoE VERY loosely last year, mostly focusing on phonographs, and it did seem to start to help, but it just wasn’t enough yet. I am looking forward to seeing how things work out this year.
Best wishes for your spelling plans!
Miranda, I would love to hear how exactly you use LOE. I too started ds on it last year as he is a horrible speller and I like the idea of it. However, it took forever to get through it every day and it was making things very difficult. Spending so much time on just this daily made it hard for me to work with my then 5 year old and 2 year old as well as do everything else needed.
To the OP, I do think it is a great program but it was just too intense and time consuming for us. We took a break over the summer and I was determined to use it again as we hadn’t gotten too far along (started late in last school year). I decided to go back and quiz him on some of the spelling words he had already done and he was a blank slate. I was so frustrated I ditched it. We are now using Spelling Wisdom and it is his favorite subject and I do see improvements. I still worry that it isn’t enough or that he won’t retain the spelling words he knows though. Only time will tell I guess.
I am using their Foundations program with my 6 year old and like it so far. We are only on Foundations A but I do plan to purchase B as well.
All in all, I feel like it is a very good program but like Miranda said, it is not CM. If that doesn’t matter to you and you have the time to put into it, I feel like it is a very good program.
If you would like I can pm you with more specifics of how I have planned to used LoE (really it was just the base) as well as how I tried to have it fit in with the rest of the planned LA for the year. It may not be today though.
I heard her at a convention, bought and read her book and loved it. I chose not to buy her curricul which seemed very un-CM. I did get her spelling and grammar flash cards and went through them with my kids. Now when weird words come up I can refer to them and say “do you remember the rule about why that is? It’s because …”
Here is a blog post I did on her stuff:
Miranda, that would be great when you have time. Nebby, did you use the flashcards along with any other curriculum?Rachel WhiteParticipant
I found the free list of spelling rules and the phonograms on the site. I’m going to make flashcards on Quizlet with the info. It will be nice to have them all together. I’m tempted to use the spelling portion of the TM, skipping the grammar and comp. parts, but right now I have Megawords for spelling for my son and Rod and Staff for comp. and grammar.
Does the LoE curriculum cover material for the rest of their “school life” in grammar and comp.?
Thanks everyone for your feedback. Is anyone able to compare Logic of English to All About Spelling?
Miranda, I’d love to hear more about how you’re using it.
I’m particularly interested in the spelling piece.
I tried to copy and pm you the message I had sent to momof3 about our plan using LoE. I have never done that before from a pm, so please let me know if you got it! Also, sorry in advance, it’s wordy!
I am using LOE with my 9 yo 4th grader. We actually started it last year when she was 8 and in 3rd and will be finished soon and moving to the advanced lists. I love the program but I don’t use every part of it. I use it for spelling only. I wanted to use the Spalding method to teach spelling. The manual for teaching the Spalding Method is called The Writing Road to Reading. I purchased both the 4th and the 6th editions and read each book from cover to cover but it was still difficult for me to wrap my head around the whole idea and even more difficult for me to apply it in our homeschool. Many do use WRTR as is but I needed an open and go curriculum, something laid out for me to follow. After researching my options and asking for advice on various homeschool forums LOE seemed the closest to what I wanted and needed. So, if you are looking for something similar to WRTR or that uses the Spalding Method for spelling, LOE might work for you.
I find the program very easy to use and not time consuming at all. Each lesson is divided into 3 parts, phonograms, spelling dictation and analysis, and grammar (the grammar part includes grammar, vocabulary, dictation, and composition). We do about 15 minutes per day of the phonogram and spelling portions simply picking up the next day where we left off. If an activity in the grammar section looks interesting or I think it might help to reinforce something my dd is learning elsewhere I will have her do a page or activity. I thought I might use all of LOE but I found I prefer other ways of teaching grammar, vocabulary, and composition. It’s a lot to pay for JUST the spelling portion but it works for us and I plan to use it with several more children.
The phonogram and spelling lessons are simple and easy to implement. I teach the phonograms in the order presented in the teacher’s manual, introducing new ones and reviewing those previously learned. We go over them with flashcards or I dictate them to my dd and she writes them in the workbook. I introduce new spelling rules, review previously learned ones and, finally, I dictate the spelling words to her using the method outlined in the teacher’s manual. She marks the phonograms and indicates the corresponding spelling rules for each word. That’s about it.
The workbook is thick and cumbersome and filled with various exercises and some games but many of them are marked as optional reinforcement activities. They are there only if you need them. I think the spelling portions could be done using just a notebook and the phonogram and spelling rule cards just as WRTR does and I may use it that way with the rest of my children. Although, if your child needs the optional activites or you do the grammar portions, the workbook would be necessary.
As for comparing the program to AAS, I used AAS briefly before LOE. It was not a good fit me or my dd. It seemed to move at too slow a pace and all the tiles and the huge white board drove us crazy. I know many homeschoolers love it and I think it is a great program but it wasn’t for us.
I am also using LOE Foundations with my 1st grader to teach her to read. LOE Foundations begins with phonemic awareness then teaches the phonograms just like Essentials does using a Spalding-like method but at a beginning reader’s level and a slower pace.
I just recently started LOE Foundations A with ds6 and LOE Essentials with dd9. I really like it! Foundations is the perfect level for where my ds is as he was not quite at the ready to read stage. I like that Essentials has all components that Spalding uses. The layout is very easy to follow and you can do as much of the lesson in a day that fits your situation. I like that it has the optional game book as my kids LOVE to play games to practice their concepts.
It is much more comprehensive than AAS. I have not seen AAR so cannot comment there.
It isn’t, however, very CM friendly.
Rachel – Yes, LOE has a section for spelling/phonics, grammar, and composition. You can see the scope and sequence on the LOE website.
This is all super helpful!! Abidinginhim, it sounds like I’m where you were 🙂 I have Spalding 4th and 5th edition and have looked at 6th. I also had three other knock offs of Spalding, but sold a couple of them. I spoke to some folks at the Spalding Institute and spent the summer pouring over them, but in the end I went back to All About Spelling because Spalding just seemed so overwhelming. I love English and spelling, but UFFDA!!!
I’m looking at LoE for our 10 year old for spelling. We’ve used AAS Level 1 & 2, and now are part way into Level 3, but I too feel it’s moving very slooooowwwwwlly 🙂 Our dd is not a fan of the tiles. She prefers pencil paper/workbook style. Our dd has always been wonderful at narration, but is having trouble moving to written narration due to spelling. She is afraid to write if there’s any chance she may have a misspelling. I’ve tried to explain that it’s OK and to just get her thoughts on paper, but she’s a perfectionist and this is hard for her to accept. If the narration is long, she dictates to me, I type, and then she copies onto paper in her notebook. I feel like she’s developed spelling anxiety :(( Sometimes she won’t even try to spell words that I know she knows, for fear of making a mistake. Anyway, I’m thinking it may be time to shift gears. I wonder if switching to LoE would give her a fresh start so to speak? I also like the idea of an end in sight. With AAS, I feel like it’s going to take forever to get through all the levels.
HiddenJewel, I’m intrigued by the games. Are you referring to the separate games book? Does it tell you in each lesson when and what games to play?
At this point, I’m having trouble justifying the cost of purchasing yet another spelling curricula. I also have a dyslexic 8 year old, but he’s receiving tutoring at a Scottish Rites clinic so I think it may be overkill to start something else with him. Would LoE be appropriate for a 2nd grader? I may be able to share with my sister…..thinking out loud here, sorry 🙁
Anyway, thanks again to everyone who’ offered words regarding LoE.
Melissa – Yes, it lists a specific game suggestion to play in the lesson. I think LOE would be great for a 2nd grader!
My dd9, who really disliked doing Spell to Write and Read, loves the workbook pages in LoE even though she is doing similar things. 🙂 Something about the workbook.
HiddenJewel, you may have just sealed the deal 🙂 Thanks again!
BTW if anyone is interested, I just found a couple of timely posts regarding Writing Road to Reading with some pointers to make it more user friendly.
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