Kids scheduling their own work…how?

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  • crazy4boys
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    We’re making progress towards independence.  I’m actually astonished at how well the last two weeks have gone.  Right now I sit each child down on Saturday or Sunday and I give them a list of what I’d like done the coming week.  I help them figure out how to break it down and they write it into each day’s slot for the subject.  (I use a planning sheet very similar to Tristan’s found here.)  In another few weeks I’ll have the older boys (ages 13, 12 and 9) do this entirely on their own…this is just a training phase.

    Here’s the question – if I give them a list of what is expected for the week, is there anything wrong with them doing all of one subject in one day?  For example, just reading all their science on Monday, answering the questions, and just plain finishing science.  Then the next day they work through all their history.  I’m not sure if I should require work every day in every subject (or as often as it needs to be done) versus give them complete control over how and when they do it as long as it’s done on Friday afternoon.  Math I can see doing daily, but not sure on the others.

    Along with that, at some point do I want to just hand all choices over to them as in ‘pick what you’ll be studying in history this year, find the books, schedule them out, and do it’ (probably with some guidance) or do I always want some say in what materials they use and when they use them?  Like, ‘You will study Ancients this year because that’s what we’re doing as a family, here’s a list of possible books; you choose x# and schedule it’ or ‘Hey, you are interested in the Civil War this year?  Go crazy.’

    I love the idea of always being on the same page history wise, but am I blocking individual growth and the love of learning?  For science I’m slowly beginning to see that each of my boys is different and there is nothing wrong with them choosing different topics and different curriculum/books if they want.  They have ALWAYS done all their subjects together so it’s sort of hard to take that leap of faith that they can do it differently from each other and still succeed.  I’ve grouped them, for better or worse, as Big Boys and Little Boys.  The Bigs always work together and the Littles always work together.  Always.  Now they are becoming more independent and it’s time to let them be who they are.  That’s scary for me!  And a lot more work.  But I think once we go through a little more ‘training’ it will get much easier.

    Why do they have to grow up? 

    HiddenJewel
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    My girls have both done larger blocks for a subject instead of doing each subject each day. It actually works better that way for some. The only subjects I limit math as the brain can only aborb so many new concepts in a day and I limit composition as you need time for your writing to sit before moving to the next step. But for my 11th grader this year I tell her what asignments I am expecting at the end of the week and she figures out when she is going to get them done.

     

     

    Bookworm
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    There’s nothing wrong with a little variability in how to schedule things.  Some kids would rather do a longer spell two or three times a week than a short one daily for some subjects.  However, I am not a fan of letting all the work for one thing be done once per week.  Remind your kids that education can be compared to a feast.  How often do we need to eat, say, vegetables?  Would they like it if they had to eat all their week’s worth of veggies on Monday, then all their protein on Tuesday, then all their dairy (if you eat that) on Wednesday, and all the fruit on Thursday?  NO.  Naturally not.  Not only is that not appealing to us, but it is not good for our bodies either.  This little example ought to have an impact.  🙂

    Tristan
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    I don’t see anything wrong with doing all of a subject in one day IF

    – they are doing their work with excellence, not just doing the bare minimum and doing it sloppily.

    – they are retaining the concepts/information for an extended time period, not just long enough to pass the test so to speak. For example I can’t see that working with Apologia General Science or with Math, both which Makayla has this year.

    Handing over choosing their own curriculum – Makayla had huge input into what she is using this year. She was given the limitation of the time period we’re in for history, but there is so much in any time period there is going to be something they can enjoy. Also, I offered a lot of books, she read what each was about and chose a certain number. I put those in chronological order for her. They’ll last half the year. The second half she can follow rabbit trails to her heart’s content. For science, she chose. Math is my pick but there are extras she can do if she chooses. Her focuses on art and writing were her choice, as well as what to use/do for them. I try to offer her a buffet of options and she picks what sounds to her the most enjoyable way to tackle that subject for the year.

    By early/mid high school I expect she’ll be choosing it all. And I’ll be okay if she moves out of the family time period as she’ll have already read many of the titles her younger siblings will be doing and can still participate in the family conversation.

    missceegee
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    Agreeing with Bookworm 🙂

    Sara B.
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    I also agree with Bookworm.  Though my 10yo will be choosing how to get her assignments done in a day, I will still be telling her on what days she must do the assignments.  Eventually we will move to me giving her a list like you are doing, but I will still want her mixing it up, not just doing it all in one sitting.  It’s tiring on the brain to do a whole day, or even several hours, of just one subject.  Even with breaks between assignments in the subject, it’s still tiring to focus on one type of thing the whole time.

    Hope to Learn
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    I was wondering if you ever tried using a student planner. The student can put in entries for each day what they need to complete for the week (or month, etc). We love using them and have one in particular that has worked really well:

    https://scriptureplanners.com/ (can purchse them through Rainbow Resources or Christianbook.com for about $5.50 each)

    We love these planners and they come in different levels. They have scripture, place for scripture memory, prayer requests, encouraging words, etc. We plan one week at a time, as this allows us to adjust as is needed. They help the student put the week into perspective, and learn how to pace and organize themselves. We like adding goals for every 6-9 weeks and find this is very helpful also.

    I appreciate all the information above and has given me important things to look at to make sure our system is working. Thank you!

    Shannon
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    I’m going to add in that I think whether a person studies a bit from all/most subjects every day vs heavy focuses of only 1-3 subjects a day (once they hit puberty/high school…I don’t know an exact time but at some level of maturity) that is a personal preference and learning style. I know I work better with a strong focus on only a few topics at a time. I LOVED summer school the one time I took it in college because I only had two classes and I could really dive into them. I think the whole ‘it is too tiring on the brain to focus on history all day’ is false. I totally think it depends on the person. I have such a hard time limiting our history now to a short period. I’d love nothing more than to sit and read to them for two or three hours at a time, but they are only 7 and I limit myself. 🙂

    I read someone describe this preference recently as ‘small vs large productivity brainspace’. I don’t like the words she chose but I totally get the concept. Some people do better with several things to work on at once and switching between topics energizes them, while others prefer to really have one or at most a few things they are working on at once and they get energized by really digging deep into what they are working on. There isn’t a ‘right’ way, only realizing what works best for you and organizing your life as much as possible to take advantage of your own preferences.

    I’d say let your child experiment and together reflect on how it is working. I like the idea that Tristan brought up – make a checklist of what you (both) think is important (retaining information, integrating it with other knowledge, quality work, etc) and during your weekly meetings do a thorough check on how this is going. Give it a few months and see how your child does.

    Freedom is an incredible thing when it comes to education. We all want our children to be responsible for their own learning as that is what they will carry into adulthood.

    Best~shannon

    missceegee
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    Two quick things – I like student planners that I make, not pre-made ones. I don’t like rewriting things and see no need for my kid to. I like checklist style plannera. I make the planner page and it’s customized to us. I see the point in wanting to dig in to a subject more one at a time, but if following the principles of a CM education, short lessons are integral. Yes they get longer the older a child gets, but the longest are ~60 mintues or so in high school. I could see maybe stretching that to 90 minutes occ, but more than that is too much in my opinion. I like Bookworm’s food analogy. It’s very appropriate.

    Each family will find what works for them whether that is a pure CM philosophy or something different. I give dd12 a list similar to this that has the week’s assignments and how many times a week she is to work on that subject/book. She is free to fill in the blanks as she chooses. However, it cannot be all of history on one day and all of literature on another. We might schedule something 2-3 days per week, but once isn’t enough IMO for many things.

    https://www.google.com/search?q=five+js+weekly&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&hl=en&client=safari

    4myboys
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    I think if your student wants to try it, and can prove that works for him, then let him try it.  Let him prove to that it works by producing quality work.  If he does all his science or history reading, quiz him on it at the end of the week to ensure he is retaining the info.  If it doesn’t work (I expect you’ll figure it out pretty fast) then tell him it’s time to take another approach.  Maybe something like working in a min number of subjects per day or a certain number of times per week, still allowing him the option of when those days are.y

    CULlamaGirl
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    I was encouraged to jump more into discussions and to stop lurking 😉 So here goes!

    My name is Kati and I am a home school graduate who is currently attending college. Personally one of my greatest distates for college is that instead of focusing on a topic or two intensly for a shorter amount of time, I am expected to take many (six this semester) for 3-4 months. Classes are multiple times a week and I can never truly focus on each class.

    Instead of being able to mentally focus I am required to mentally multitask what is due when. When I was home schooled I found myself learning, enjoying, and retaining what I learned better by doing all of on subject at one time. I think that it is because if I focus for a small amount of time I get distracted eaiser, but if I focus for longer amount of time I have less difficulty retaining my focus. 

    So I guess it is your choice if you want to give your student the freedom while at home to learn in a manner that works best for them or if you want to prepare them for what they need to expect in college. However, I think that since your are teaching CM, you would choose the former as the majority of majors do not use living books (however this is not true for my major, Biblical Studies) either.

    I hope this post whas helpful and I did not step on anyone’s toes!

    Kati

    HiddenJewel
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    No toe stepping done, Kati. Thanks for sharing. It suprises me that your college courses are like that though. The ones I have seen are only 2 or 3 times per week. The classes in the evening are about 4 hours long (daytime ones are shorter). A total of 12-15 credits is a full-time load with many classes being 3 credits making for 4-5 classes per semester. This is a very similar workload to what my high schoolers carry (6 classes but less hours required per class).

    crazy4boys
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    Thank you, everyone, for your varied and thoughtful responses.  I think we’re a few months out from needing to make this decision but I always like to research and ponder it well in advance.  My 12-yr-old is one who likes to intensely focus on one thing, or one book, until he’s done.  He has the most amazing recall and can tell you full details of books he read years ago.  But struggles to put it on paper.  The 13-yr-old can’t tell you what he read independently 10 minutes ago, but once you start asking questions or giving ‘narration prompts’ he can give a great oral narration and a decent written one.  I think they will need different help in different areas.  And it will be a process for all of us to figure out how they learn best independently and how to help them in their various challenges.  Some days I wish they all learned exactly the same…but then that would be boring!

    CULlamaGirl
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    Your 12 year old sounds just like me! I can orally say what I have read, but to write takes great concentration and work! I have no idea why I have a brain hand barrier but not a brain mouth barrier! 

     

    HiddenJewel, I am taking 19 credits, my 4 credit Greek class meets 4 times a week, Discipleship and Christian Evidences and Appologetics 3, Hermeneutics 2, Personal Evangelism and Counseling and Mentoring Women once a week. It is just that the scheduling boggles my brain sometimes that is all!

    HiddenJewel
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    Scheduling definetely is a learned skill. You can do it though! 

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