Jewish Holidays & Traditions

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  • lakrueger
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    Tara, just wanted to clear up about the use of the egg on the seder plate for Passover.  It has nothing to do with Easter, but is used to recall two sacrifices which can no longer be made because of the destruction of the Temple.  The first was killed on 14th Nisan and eaten at the seder before the paschal lamb; the other was slain during the day of 15th Nisan (or possibly later in the week) as a freewill offering to rejoice before the Lord.  The reason an egg is used is that it is a sign of mourning and a symbol of the hope of spiritual restoration and of resurrection.

    Michelle, it’s funny you mention about Christmas being a big attention getter for the Jews.  When I was a kid one of the biggest things that the Lord used to get my attention was the Charlie Brown Christmas Special.  Smile  I was also in the school choir and I was instructed by my mom that I could sing with them at Christmastime as long as I didn’t say “that” name.  Well, that got me wondering why the Christians seemed to have stolen the King of Israel from us!  I wanted my King back!  LOL!  Now that I am a believer and we don’t celebrate Christmas that has opened up the door for me to share the truth about Messiah, why we don’t celebrate Christmas, when Messiah was most likely really born, etc.  God doesn’t waste anything! Laughing

    Shalom,

    Linda

    thepinkballerina
    Participant

    I don’t want to go into too much detail, but the reasons we stopped Christmas is we felt the Lord telling us it was wrong–too much money spent on gifts and the reason behind the tree, mistletoe, and the day chosen for celebrating Christ’s birth. The church in Acts didn’t celebrate His birth. For us there is no reason to celebrate Jesus’ birthday in Dec when it’s not really His birthday. It felt like what we’d been taught all a long was a deception. If we weren’t celebrating Halloween because of pagan roots, then why are we celebrating Christmas, Valentines day, St Patricks, Easter…And using pagan celebrations to convert Christians I feel it going against God’s Word. And we were just celebrating just because it’s our culture. I feel free actually not participating in the holidays. Something I felt was wrong but did it anyway just because.

    Tara

     

    lakrueger
    Member

    Tara, that’s exactly why we stopped.  And it seems that every year there is more and more magic associated with Christmas, right down to having Harry Potter movies running for Christmas and Harry Potter tree decorations.  Something is definately not right about that! Surprised

    Linda

    thepinkballerina
    Participant

    It’s also odd atheists celebrate. It’s so secular. The world LOVES Christmas. But the rest of the year they ignore Jesus. To the world He’s just a baby when in Truth He is on the right throne of God and will return! You would think Easter would be more celebrated, Christ’s death, burial, and resurrection.

    What urks me is seeing Christmas, Halloween and Thanksgiving decor out in the stores ALL AT ONCE starting probably now, right?

    Yes, the *magic* of Christmas, the Christmas *spirit*. Definately not right.

    This board is the only place I feel comfortable expressing my views. Otherwise I’m quiet throughout the entire winter season. And breathe a sigh of relief come Dec 26 when it’s all over. 🙂

    Tara

    cherylramirez
    Participant

    I would LOVE to know how you ladies got your husbands to go along with not celebrating Christmas!  That season, though pretty, has always been such a chore for me.  The commercialism is irksome and makes me want to have nothing to do with the season at all.  Besides, as someone else has aptly stated, it is more likely to think that the Messiah was born in Sept./Oct.

    thepinkballerina
    Participant

    I prayed for my husband before I presented idea, and had a friend pray for us who also doesn’t celebrate. Then I researched thoroughly and read him the information I found. He said he never knew that before. He accepted it immediately that is was wrong. He just wanted to be careful how we approach it with our unsaved relatives. He wasn’t sure how to go about that. My mom found out from my oldest daugther, when she asked her where we were putting up our tree and she told her we weren’t putting one up. She didn’t believe her. lol I was in the other room. I was like oh boy, I guess it’s time to start explaining. We had JUST made the decision and talked to the girls about it.

    I say pray. It’s God’s will and He will convict hearts!

    Rene
    Participant

    We stopped celebrating Christmas about 4 years ago.  About 10 years ago, right after getting the internet, I started a yearly research project to see if we shoud be celebrating Christmas or not. It always was my favorite time of year, even it it never turned out the way I wanted or planned for it to (think Norman Rockwell…), but I read a lot online that bothered my conscience. Every time the season rolled around I would agonize and read articles and fret.  Finally I decided that I was just going to enjoy Christmastime and leave it up to my husband to decide.  Well, that very year, my husband said “no more Christmas!” 

    Although it’s really just another day for us (that my husband gets off work!), we don’t pretend it doesn’t exist and we realize it’s a very important time for most people.  Christmas and Easter are often the only times in a year that our extended family actually gets together, so we join them and don’t make our not celebrating a big deal to them.

    labellavita
    Participant

    Tara,

    I hear your heart.  I used to LOVE Christmas!  Spent much time thinking about the wonderful smells, wonderful decorations, wonderful lights, but as one raised as an atheist who came to know my Messiah later on in life, it wasn’t really ever about Jesus for me.  OK, I said that there outloud.  I’m honest, it really never was.  It was about family and fun.  G-d gave us holidays that are about His Son, and I have come to enjoy those much more than I ever enjoyed Christmas! 

    Allmost 3 yrs ago I was challenged by the idea of Hebrew vs. Greek education, I had never heard of it before, am I educating my children like the Greeks, or in a biblically Hebraic way?  THAT idea really challenged me and I found out what I thought was OK, really wasn’t.  I can’t even tell you exactly how it happened, but it was all His leading, I had a huge paradigm shift and started questioning EVERYTHING, what did the bible say Sabbath was (not man), what did God say were His holy days (not man), what did G-d say were His holy days, what did He say about EVERYTHING, and well, it rocked our world!  Its been the biggest blessing for my family!!!!!!!!  Smile

    As for Christmas, I was worried my children would not want to give it up, but sometimes we dont’ give our children enough credit. I showed my DD the scriptures about mixing the holy with the profane among others about trees, and she said “OK,” she didn’t have not one hiccup.  That was over 3 Christmases ago…

    Cheryl, my DH didn’t jump up and down when I showed him the scriptures and he wasn’t convicted on the spot like my DD and I were, but he agreed that we shouldn’t put up the tree w/ these big questions hanging over our heads, so we didn’t until we could research more.  The tree never went up and now its out of the house.  He now owns his position and looks foward to celebrating Sukkot as being the time when Yeshua lives w/ us!  Smile

    My heart is to not rock anyone’s world, please know that.  My heart is to follow my L-rd, Who has shown immense mercy and grace upon this former passionate atheist, who is now passionate about Him!!!  I don’t want to say too too much because this isn’t the forum to do that, I love SCM and don’t want to derail this forum.

    Be blessed, and search out the scriptures,

    Love in Yeshua HaMashiach,

    Ginnie

     

     

    thepinkballerina
    Participant

    Thanks Ginnie.  Praise God He spoke to your heart & you came to know His love! Christmas was one of my favorite holidays. Lots of warm memories. But I love the Lord even more and can still love the fall/winter time of cozy home with fire, hot cocoa, Hanukkah lights, and fellowship. 🙂

    Tara

    lakrueger
    Member

    Our experience was a lot like yours Rene.  It seemed that we would do so much – and spend SO much – for Christmas and for me it was just never what I thought it should be.  I had thought that perhaps it was because I didn’t grow up with Christmas, but my husband said it was the same for him.  Then throw in all the constant explaining to our son about Yeshua really being born in autumn, that magic has absolutely nothing to do with God, etc., etc.  I asked my husband if he would be upset if we didn’t celebrate Christmas any more.  He was actually quite happy about it, which was a blessing for me.  We explained to our son what we were going to be doing (or not doing) and he was cool with it.

    One thing that our son loves to do at Halloween is fill bags with candy and tracts and hand them out to the kids that come to the door.  He’s never been trick-or-treating, but he really loves handing out those bags!  Laughing

    Easter was not a big deal to not celebrate, as we incorporate the Feast of Firstfruits in with Passover.  Also, a really cool thing about Passover, in the Seder, there is a stack of 3 matzot.  The middle one is removed from the group, broken in two, wrapped in a white linen napkin and then hidden to be redeemed later in the evening.  It’s thought that this tradition was added by first century believing Jews as a reference to Yeshua’s death, burial, and resurrection.  I think that is too cool!

    Blessings,

    Linda

    Rachel White
    Participant

    HI, everybody-overwhelmed with cukes and making pickles, among other things! Nice to see everyone enjoying themselves in conversation!

    I am hoping this gives you a great jumping off point to dig deeper. Forgive the length in advance. Since “For now we see obscurely in a mirror, but then it will be face to face. Now I know partly; then I will know fully, just as G-d has fully known me” 1 Cor. 13:12, I will do the best I can to give the big picture of the Spring Feasts in general and without getting into the theological debates that exist within the Messianic Community. In addition to the good info. previously noted about the timeline theories though, it did leave out the Thursday crucifixion theory; unless I missed it while reading. Anyway, after you follow Messianic/Hebraic based teachings for a length of time, you will come across them yourself. When reading Scripture through Hebraic eyes, you study the context, culture and history; what you think you know can change, stemming from that previous “Greek-thinking” mindset (as Ginnie pointed out). There is no separating the Scripture from the culture, customs and historical realities of the time period; not to mention the eastern Hebraic thought that was different than the Greek thought that ended up permeating the new religion of Christianity, forming new celebrations and Scripture interpretation; bit-by-bit chopping their branches off from the root. I should probably stop there b/c this is an area I can get most passionate about when it comes to church history and their complete dismissal of Paul’s warning to the gentile believers in Romans 11 regarding arrogance; but I digress.

    Within our family, the rememberance of our redemption, His Resurrection, and the giving of G-d’s Spirit  is completely observed and revealed in Passover/Feast of Matzah, First Fruits, and Shavuot (Pentecost); even if it’s not apparent to others that that is actually what we are doing because it doesn’t look like the way the rest of the world expects it should look; but it’s inherrent in the Feasts, since they are G-d’s “blueprint”, so-to-speak, of Yeshua’s Presence and Purpose on Earth. I must add, on a personal note: that having known Messianic Jews, direct preaching from visiting Rabbis from Israel and being in a Congregation that has been actively engaged with Israeli Congregations for 30 years, myself for 10; there’s no limitation of observing the gift of Messiah’s birth and Resurrection to just 2 days arbitrarily chosen by the church. Even though they don’t observe Christmas and Easter specifically as a way to celebrate G-d’s Gift of Messiah, it is due to their observance of this very gift that they risk everything. Messianic Jews risk their lives to walk with Messiah daily in Israel by the religious courts and extremists in the orthodox Community; they are persecuted in their homes and at their places of worship. It is for that very belief in the birth and resurrection of Yeshua that they are discriminated against.

    I think Pesach has been discussed pretty well already, if I could just add in some extra thoughts. The order of the Passover service, even later Rabbinical additions have messianic meaning, so just because it’s rabbinical doesn’t mean it doesn’t match with Scripture. An example would be the Elijah cup within the ceremony; we can joyfully participate b/c we know that the “elijah” preceding The Messiah did come at Passover-specifically being born then and was heralded so in the Good News (Matthew 11: 7-15). As a spiritual seed of Abraham, with a circumcized heart, as part of the Commonwealth of the Nation of Israel, I should be in obedience to G-d’s instruction (Deut. 31:12).

     I give a good cleaning to the home, mainly focused on the kitchen and living room, removing the physical leaven; but as every year that goes by, I try to be more thorough and organized, it’s a family affair. G-d’s Commands shouldn’t be a burden, if it feels that way, then I know I have a heart issue going on regarding priorities. This was the first year  that all 7 days were completely unleavened in all of our meals and it was definitely an honor. It’s not just an act of obedience (Exodus 12:19-20) but also a spiritual work (1 Corinthians 5:6-8). And as someone with chronic physical problems and a husband that has multiple neurological problems, it’s not always easy, but it’s important. I make it a point to put on G-dly praise music and we read about the Feast as a family to prepare our hearts to let the L-rd sweep out the leaven. We have a family seder using the Lederer Haggadah mentioned previously. It’s not about gaining salvation through observance, but by being obedient in observance as a response to my salvation; that’s not legalistic (a perversion of G-d’s Word), being “under the law” or being a judaizer, either; just a heads up – these terms will be thrown at you, if they haven’t been already, due to your decisions, so please learn the true Scriptural meaning of those terms and not the way they have been used historically to control the direction of people’s faith, because you don’t want to truly be any of those.

    First Fruits (barley) is the Resurrection of Messiah,(1 Cor. 15:20-23); a different day didn’t need to be set aside by man for this celebration either. Again, there are differing dates attached to the observation of the day, coming from the 1st Cen. concerning which day to actually observe it. It’s the beginning of counting the Omer and then to Shavuot. My Congregation follows a particular reckoning so we go to a specific Resurrection service during the week, during the Feast of Matzah. Which day of the week it falls on is different from year to year due to the lunar calendar and our reckoning of when First Fruits is. So even though the first Resurrection occured after sunset on Sat. and before dawn on the “first day of the week” (John 20:1), it’s not like that every year for us (for some Messianics, it’s always Sunday, following the Sadducean model); but the Firstfruits is always within the Feast of Matzah. There isn’t a Temple, but you can incorporate waving barley before the L-rd, reading Lev. 23, and of the resurrection and have praise and worship at home for First Fruits if you don’t have a Congregation to go to and invite friends over, too.

    I didn’t count the Omer this year as I had wanted to and Scripture tells us to, our Congregation does and we should in the home. By G-d’s Grace, I am planning to do it next year.

    Shavuot, or Pentecost, AKA Feast of Weeks is really special, too. You count down using the Omer. It has more than one meaning too. It is the traditional time of giving of the Torah at Mt. Sinai (on the third day!)and also the time when the Holy Spirit was given. There again the ‘tradition’ fits perfectly with what happened in Acts. After the redemption of Passover/Feast of Matzah, then G-d gives His People the Instructions under which they are to live as a redeemed people; He did the same in the 1st Cen., -after our redemption,  G-d’s Spirit (literally in Hebrew His “Breath”) wrote His Torah on our Hearts. Interestingly, rabbinic legend (yes, it’s legend, but interesting) says there were 70 known languages at the time and that G-d spoke all of them at the giving of the Torah and that fire came to each Hebrew individually; in addition to the Scriptural smoke, fire and shofar blasts (Ex. 19:16-19)) and then, as prophesied from Jeremiah and Yeshua, He gave His Spirit at Shavuot, with a sound from Heaven, fire and the languages. So Shavuot also has a multi-level meaning.

    Also, harvest wise it’s wheat, and it’s really awesome that two loaves were presented to G-d as an offering at Shavuot, just as Jew and Gentile are presented before G-d together as one. The traditional reading is of the Book of Ruth, as it is set in the Spring harvest time and it reflects the same symbolism; as she forsook her Moabite upbringing and bound herself to The G-d of Israel, honored by G-d to be the ancestor of King David and our Messiah! “But Ruth replied: Do not persuade me to leave you or go back and not follow you. For wherever you go, I will go, and wherever you live, I will live; your people will be my people, and your God will be my God.” Ruth 1:16. We have a Shavuot service at our Congregation, but at home we read from Ruth. This year I had my son use the children’s Artscroll Hebrew/english translation to work on his Hebrew, plus, it’s a beautiful text; anything that presents Rabbinic views that are incompatible with Scripture, we talk about it, that way they can develop discernment and can have these conversations with others when G-d provides the opportunities in their lives, esp. non-messianic Jews), we have Bible study, no working, I’ve had the children make their own Ten Commandments, decorate for a Spring Harvest festival, sometimes I remember to have some dairy (traditional), sometimes not. You can be creative. The wonderful thing is I am free to choose, without guilt, among the traditions, as long as they don’t contradict Scripture, then it’s an absolute no.

    There is so much to discover, so many layers and consistancy. It’s exciting! Even after 10 years, I still get very passionate and discover more consistancy in my studies and new things that never made sense growing up, not to mention drawing closer to the Jewish Community in general, esp. from an eternal perspective. I was raised a Methodist minister’s dd in the South but married a man from Miami with possible Jewish parentage, so that’s how we moved in that direction originally, having already ruled out Halloween, then Christmas and Easter within the following year. I’ve learned alot in these past 10 ten years; this walk is gradual and takes time to unlearn then learn again; just like with homeschooling sometimes!

    Thanks for reading this book and I’ll check back in soon,Smile

    Rachel

    Rachel White
    Participant

    Hello, everyone. Sorry my last post was so long; that’s what happens when you don’t post for a few days, you say everything at one time.

    I thought I’d send a free, Messianic Siddur that I use when/if I light the Sabbath candles and when/if I light the Havdalah candles. I say when/if because I don’t do either every week. They are wonderful ceremonies to reinforce and support the command to set apart the Sabbath from the rest of the week. I don’t follow the “lighting times” as established within normative Judaism, usually just before supper, whenever that is. When we don’t go to services (we alternate weeks due to distance), it’s especially meaningful because it helps as a signifier, beyond just the sun going down, that Sabbath has come. I notice we all are a lot more aware, it seems, when we set aside the time to incorporate these traditions. However, if I don’t do them, I don’t have any guilt over it and the traditions themselves do not fulfill the command of remembering and observing. Then we say to each other “Shabbat Shalom” (peaceful Sabbath) after the lighting of the candles (but not before). It should be a Spirit-filled Sabbath.

    While I’m talking about the way we try to Honor Sabbath and rest (the really hard part!) is either go to services Fri. night or Sat. morning. I don’t light the candles if we go to the Fri. night service because they do it there. Like I said before, we live 1 1/4 hours away, so we go every other week. There are things I’d like to incorporate more in our day to make it more set apart, but my husband and I differ on what constitutes that (like no tv). But I do have different placemats and cloth napkins instead of the usual paper and placemats used during the week! We finish out the studying the weekly readings (the portions laid out through the year, the Torah, Haftorah and New Covenant) that week using a variety of sources, Jewish and Messianic. We read through the portions all week and culminate on Sat. I try to remember to read the Sabbath Psalm #92. I do at and after breakfast. I have several different Messianic cd’s that I love and depending on my mood, I put one in, preferably in the morning when it’s just me and the children. I love music in the morning and it really brings in His Presence and The Spirit of G-d: Enter His Gates with Thanksgiving and into His Courts with Praise!

    I’ve been incorporating one chapter of a Jewish history book at lunchtime; last year it was “Tales and Customs of the Ancient Hebrews” by Eve Herbst from Yesterday’s Classics. This year it’s been “Introduction to Jewish History” and “Journey through Jewish History” by Seymour Rossel by Behrman Books (or free at Google Books); needing a mild tweaking here and there; but you have to get used to that; everything requires tweaking if your using a straight Jewish source or a Christian source you’re going to have to tweak. Next year, I’m debating between “The Story of the Chosen People” by Geurber or “Story of the Ancient World”, C. Miller’s Version; then after that “Our Young Folk’s Josephus” (free PDF at http://www.paideaclassics.org/index.php?sid=&cart_id=&show=book&ref=11 ) and “The Story of the Last Days of Jerusalem” by Alfred Church. That should cover us for the next 2-3 years. The children enjoy my reading these.

    That’s pretty much it. I try to get a nap in. I’d love to have a Bible study with my hubby, but he’s not into that, but he does read a Psalm in the evening and listen in to my reading to them, joining in (but sometimes driving me crazy with interuptions!Laughing) If we do have the tv on, I stress that it must be more honoring than usual, like only Bible shows or very, very good movies. Like today I wasn’t feeling well, so after out breakfast time, we all watched Yankee Doodle Dandy w/James Cagney together. I’ll still go to my garden and sometimes gather food (but I try to get that done before) and check for bugs, but try to keep the labors to a minimum; I enjoy my garden so I walk around it. Of course, all the chores required to take care of our animals still get done because it would be a sin not to, but other chores like vacuuming and the like don’t get done. I try not to go anywhere spending money or do any monetary bookkeeping. Some good books about the beauty of Sabbath, written by a well-respected late-Jewish author A. Heschel:

    “The Sabbath: It’s meaning for Modern Man”http://www.amazon.com/Sabbath-Abraham-Joshua-Heschel/dp/0374529752/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1283048560&sr=8-1#_

    From A Messianic Perspective (has HAvdalah in it): The Sabbath: Entering G-d’s Rest” Barry and Steffi Rubin-http://www.amazon.com/Sabbath-Entering-Gods-Rest/dp/188022674X/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1283048905&sr=8-1 (I use a mix of this one and the free one for Erev Shabbat lighting)

    The free Messianic Siddur (prayer book) is:http://www.heartofisrael.net/pubs/Siddur2.pdf  Even though I have other Messianic Siddurs, I do come back to this one for ease of use in the home; with some minor adjustments during the Feast of Matzah/Omer. It’s good for having a Service at home, too when you can’t make it to services; I prefer the classic Shabbat service as that is what I am used to.

    I have a Sabbath Wish list of ideas I’d like to incorporate some time, but these are what I have been successful with doing consistantly. It’s a process, but it is the first of His Appointed times; a weekly “Appointment” with Him and extremely important, with Yeshua at the center. Isaiah 56:1-8 and Isaiah 58:13-14 are some of my favorite verses that puts emphasis on it. I remember growing up and Sunday as a Southerner with family close; we’d have a nice lunch with nice stuff on the table, it was very leisurely and restful, enjoying each others company, playing board games, going for walks; no mowing the grass (my husband finally stopped doing that! Used to irritate me) or the like; but other than church, there wasn’t anything else for discipleship that I try to do with mine. However, the memory of family and being particular about certain things that just “weren’t done” but that other things that didn’t happen the rest of the week were done; although that day of the week was not the Sabbath, those memories remain a positive one.

    Blessings,

    Rachel

    For those of you who are using Family Guide to Biblical Holidays, which of the recommended books for further study have you read? There seem to be so many that look good…. Has anyone read The Miracle of the Scarlet Thread by Booker that is recommended?

    It is exciting how much we are learning from Robin’s book and from this thread. Cool

    Nanci

    csmamma
    Participant

    Hi Nanci,

    We’ve read the Miracle of the Scarlet Thread and also went through accompanying family study guides based on the book. They were VERY eye opening in understanding the Covenant and our Hebraic roots of Christianity. The book is excellent as a stand alone but if you want additional study, the guides are wonderful too. They are as follows…

    • The Covenant Book 1
    • The Covenant and Tabernacle Book 2
    • The Covenant the Offerings Book 3

    All can be found at Sounds of the Trumpet website.

    http://shop.soundsofthetrumpet.com/index.php/hebraic-roots/hebraic-study-manuals/c_11.html

    Another book I read, which is encouraged by Robin, is “Our Father Abraham: Jewish Roots of the Christian Faith”. This was very insightful and I highly recommend it.

    http://heartofwisdom.com/biblicalholidays/?p=358

    Blessings,

    Heather

     

     

     

    akirechelle
    Participant

    Hi,

    I am new to SCM but immediately noticed this thread and I am thankful for all of the posts.  My husband is a Christian-Messianic? (not really sure if I understand what that means because I have seen it used in so many ways) Jew.  We have been wanting to incorporate some of the Biblical Feasts into our lives and teach our children about their heritage.  I was looking for resources to help me out.  So far I have incorporated Rosh Hoshannah and Yom Kippur, and the family really enjoyed it.  I hope to include more this year.  My husband’s mom didn’t really teach him any Jewish traditions or keep the feasts so he cannot help me too much with this, but some of his Jewish family have invited us for Passover and that was really amazing. 

     

    All this to say, thanks for bringing this up and I look forward to future posts with more information.

    Blessings,

    Erika

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