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  • Tia
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    I have some serious questions regarding grammar.  my daughter is 6 going on 7 and i’m at a crossroads with grammar instruction.  to teach or not to teach?  i would like some sound advice from a seasoned CM mom with strong academic standards.  would anyone like to pm me to discuss this?  i’m not sure a drawn out discussion on the board would be helpful to anyone but me. 🙂

    Rachel White
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    When it comes to grammar, the discussion is alsways needed on this board! For that age, I recommend Primary Language Lessons. She’s at the perfect age to start. It takes 2 yers to go through, is gentle, yet thorough CM style, short lessons that can be done mostly orally if you prefer not to do all of the writing opportunities and I recommend getting the Teacher’s GUide.

    You can go the cheaper route and get the hardback book, the TG from Amazon http://www.amazon.com/Primary-Language-Lessons-Emma-Serl/dp/0965273512/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1280794450&sr=8-1 for less than the LBC one and have her write into her own notebook. Or you can get the Living Books Curriculum version that you can write in, but you’d still need the TG and would be looking at higher cost, so that’s up to you. Personally, we did most of it orally and for us would have been a waste to buy one to be written in so much. Here’s the LBC version so you can take a look at it:http://www.livingbookscurriculum.com/product/368.html

    Here’s a review, too from Cathy Duffy:http://www.grovepublishing.com/grammar-composition/primary-language-lessons.htm

    and Old Schoolhouse:http://thehomeschoolmagazine.com/Homeschool_Reviews/reviews.php?rid=679

    HTH,

    Rachel

    LindseyD
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    We have used English for the Thoughtful Child, Vol. 1 with great success with my son, who is also 6. That said, Charlotte herself didn’t recommend formal grammar instruction until age 9 or 10. The only reason we began this early is because I have a love for English and grammar, as I was an English major. Our lessons are once or twice per week, and usually 10 minutes long at the most. I always make sure to watch for the “out in left field” stare. We’ve not been to that point yet, but I don’t ever want to dissuade my children from loving grammar at such an early age. Also, if you begin some light grammar and your son just isn’t getting it, I’d wait several months or even until next year. There’s no hurry…unless you’re a grammar fiend like me! I will say though that if I ever met resistance with grammar, I would have no problem closing the books in that subject for a few weeks or months and trying again, afresh.

    Lindsey

    Tia
    Participant

    We are still finishing up phonics.  Is it customary to wait until the phonics instructions is complete before adding grammar instruction?  i am transitioning from a school of thought that was very traditional.  CM won my heart a long time ago with regard to literature, history, the spirit of the child and so on.  The grammar/english/technical side of things is harder for me to let go of seeing as this particular subject is very important to me.  🙂

    cherylramirez
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    Let me be the one dissenting voice on this topic!  My 12yo dd is in 7th grade and is just starting grammar lessons.  We are using Analytical Grammar (with no diagramming).  I didn’t see the need to start grammar lessons so young.  Grammar is something that only has to be covered once!  Verbs, nouns and predicates don’t change so there is really no point in teaching it for 12 years!  My daughter does a lot of writing with her history and science projects and that’s enough for me  We will not start any “serious” writing until she is in 10th grade, at that point she will be done with AG. 

    Sonya Shafer
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    Sounds like we need to clarify what exactly we’re talking about when we say “Grammar.” That term means different things to different people. 

    3littlegirls, are you thinking about parts of speech (noun, verb, preposition, etc.)? Or are you thinking about correct usage of words in sentences (is/are, was/were, etc.)? Or are you thinking about parts of a sentence (subject, predicate)? Or word studies (like homonyms, synonyms, etc.)? 

    Charlotte taught the two parts of a simple sentence to children around grades 1-3, meaning (1) subject and (2) what is said about the subject. Obviously, that concept wouldn’t take three years to teach. So you can include it wherever you’re comfortable during those years. 

    Then in grades 4 and up, she introduced parts of speech, parsing, and analyzing. She included some word studies and expected that, by age 12, the student “should have a fair knowledge of English grammar.”

    So maybe it would be helpful to know which parts of Grammar each of the above recommended resources cover.

    Tia
    Participant

    Good point, Sonya.  I guess I don’t really know! LOL  I assumed any grammar program would start with sentence structure (capitalization, etc.) and whatever is deemed as “simple” and move into more complex studies.  I am currently using a very traditional phonics program thas the language built into the curriculum.  We are taking two years to do it (it’s a “1st grade” program we started last year).  Last year, i concentrated on the phonics portion only, thinking this year i would add in the Language book.  I’m just not sure how i feel about taking the time to do it when i’m pretty sure i could teach her the same things in a more enjoyable fashion after the phonics is complete. 

     I find it hard, however, to get sound advice on this topic because it really depends on one’s academic standards, etc.  Some people find sentence diagramming useless at any age…i disagree.  Obviously, that person would not be a person from whom i would desire advice on teaching grammar seeing as we have different goals for our children.  I’ve read much about CM teaching and philosophy, but not really much on how she taught this particular subject.  I have her 6 volume series.  (I was planning to delve into it this year).  I would probably do well to look into it further to see what she has to say.  Unfortunately, we started school today and it was today that i realized i was uncomfortable with our current situation.  Anyhow, enough of the rambling. 

    Thanks so much for the book selections, I will definitely look into them. 🙂

    Rene
    Participant

    I’m using Simply Grammar by Karen Andreola this year, which is a revised and expanded edition of CM’s First Grammar Lessons.  Catherine Levison, in her book More Charlotte Mason Education, said that she has her students go through Simply Grammar three times, with a year or two off in-between.

    Tia
    Participant

    i wanted to apologize for rambling on and on.  LOL  I typed that late last night and this morning i dont see a place to edit it. i just need to get my thoughts together.

    im looking into English for the Thoughtful Child. i think that 1 or two times per week coupled with finishing out phonics might be a good route to take. 🙂

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