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From Singapore math to MUS??
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I am currently using Singapore math. I used MUS once, when my eldest was in Kindy. He did Alpha. He didn’t like it and I switched to other things after that. Though looking back, I think he was just young, school was new, I should have continued scribing for him and he would have been fine.
There are plenty of things I like about Singapore, but the straight forward ness of MUS, as well as the independence, while still being a manipulative based/conceptual type program, makes it appealing to me. Being a worrier, I worry that I picked Singapore because it was ‘best’ and wonder whether it is best for my family. It works pretty good for my oldest, but I find myself worrying repeatedly about my next kid who hates leaps and gets scared by new stuff in math. She’s doing ok for now, but she’s only in 2a. But I don’t know how I would transition her into MUS at this point. And my kids are required to do state testing every year starting in 3rd grade, so I’m not sure it would be a great fit for us from that standpoint.
Has anyone switched from Singapore to MUS? Was it a smooth transition? How do your kids who use MUS do on state tests?TristanParticipant
We’ve not used Singapore. However I can speak to testing when being a MUS student. My kids do standardized testing yearly. What I’ve found is that there are usually a couple problems they aren’t ready to do based on MUS’s different timeline up through about 5th/6th grade. MUS uses a different order for introducing everything up to PreAlgebra. However I know they have added in another workbook page now to help compensate for that and it runs more on a ‘common core’ timeline of when to introduce topics. (We just ignore this extra page per lesson.)
An example for when kids didn’t know what to do – MUS doesn’t cover decimals in depth until Zeta, which often a child reaches around 6th grade (assuming you begin Alpha in 1st). Standardized tests assume kids know more than how to add and subtract decimals before 6th grade (like understanding how to multiply them). But what I’ve found is they don’t have a bunch of problems on the skills we’ve not covered yet, so even if my kids totally guess on the multiple choice answer or skip the problem it doesn’t impact their overall score significantly. (In Ohio you just need to get a 25th percentile composite score on the whole test to pass, which means you can literally fail entirely on a few sections and still pass. They could skip the math sections totally and still get a passing score for Ohio.) And a note, none of my kids have ever failed the math sections. I think the lowest score they’ve gotten is one child got a 78% in a math section. Their composite test score (all sections averaged together) still was above the 95th percentile.
One more note – I generally don’t share my kids results with them unless they ask. And we begin testing with the reminder that this is just what we do to fulfill the law, we really don’t care what the test results are. We don’t stress out about them and they don’t change how we’re doing our learning.
My 2nd grade daughter is right now working on multi digit subtraction with regrouping. Looking over beta, I think she would need to do the rounding lessons, because we haven’t done that at all, and then could easily pick up about half way thru beta. So she would easily still be on track for her grade (not super important, but helpful because of th testing).
does the sample video on the beta page match the sample lesson pdf? If so, I might try it out with her…sarah2106Participant
We use MUS and have had same experience as Tristen when it comes to testing. We have had no problems and even though learned in a different sequence, as Tristen said only a few problems would be on those concepts, so it worked out.
When DD did her 3rd grade test (when we have to start in our state) DD had only been through Gamma, no division yet. But she had solved for “x” so I showed her what a division problem might look like and explained it is like solving for “x”. She did really well and was not triped up by what she did not know. I explained that some problems she might not know and not to get caught up in those.
I have not switched from Singapore, so far have been with MUS from the start.
I asked a friend if mine why she switched from MUS to Singapore. And basically she switched because of the testing. Fractions aren’t covered till 5th, decimals and stuff till 6th. She seemed to think it was a big problem. I don’t know what to do. Singapore is working fine for her right now, maybe I’m worrying about nothing.
I don’t know if I’m just worrying about nothing, since I’m having trouble expressing why I think Singapore may not work well for my daughter. Or if I should listen to my mothers instinct. Lol. But considering all the curriculum swapping I’ve done over the last five years, I don’t trust myself. Lol.TristanParticipant
It’s one of those hard decisions to make! I started my oldest daughter with Saxon. After 3 years of it (K, 1, and 2) she hated math and didn’t understand it. Not even basic adding. We took a break from all math for months and switched to Math U See after that. She’s now in Algebra 1, and all the other kids have used MUS from the beginning.
Would I switch if things are working well with our current program? Probably not. I usually aim for “if it isn’t broke, don’t fix it”. But everyone is different!
I don’t know if I’m just borrowing trouble, thinking the pace and jumps of singapore will be too much. Maybe I should wait till it actually happens. Maybe she’ll be fine. But pretty much every description of who Singapore us a good fit for, does NOT fit my daughter. <span style=”line-height: 1.5;”>If I end up needing to switch her in 3rd or 4th because now she’s miserable, and probably thinks she’s dumb at math, it will be so much harder. Right now it would be pretty smooth I think.</span>
So it isn’t broken quite yet, but I feel like it is headed there? She doesn’t like math, but neither does my oldest, its their favorite thing to complain about. But she has understood what I’ve taught her up till now, so its not as bad as what you were going through with sazon.
My daughter ended up needing much more spelled out reading instruction than either her older or younger brothers. She felt rather dumb for awhile. But she’s now making good progress using AAR, plus probably just a bit of maturity. MUS strikes me as similar. A slower, gentler pace.
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