Friendly Chemistry & Experiences in Chemistry Lab Manual?

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  • blue j
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    OK, so I was intending to do what I had orinially planned with my Chemistry as mentioned in the High School Chemistry post.  THEN, I received a homeschool catalog in the mail that included Friendly Chemistry: A Guide to Learning Basic Chemistry in it.  Has anyone used this? If you used this, did you add another lab source like Experiences in Chemistry Lab Manual? Here’s why I ask:

    1. The writers of the catalog suggest that buying the teacher’s guide is enough as everything that is included in the student book is contained therein.  With the exception of a few things that they suggest the parent needs to cover up so that the student can easily complete the assignment without having the answer right there, it works well.

    2. I looked inside of the book on Amazon.  I liked the beginning pages – the writing style is relaxed and engaging.  BUT, I want to ensure that the style doesn’t change within the book – kind of like Boorstein’s book does, for those who are familiar w/ SL, that is used in the 3/4 core(s) in SL American History where the first part of the book is almost painful to read but the second half gets a bit better.

    3. This talks about using games in a friendly style to teach the chemistry concepts. Did your student find that these really helped them to learn the concepts?

    4. The catalog mentions “labs use household items *and other resources that are GENERALLY easy* to obtain”.  How easy to obtain are these items? Are the labs truly homeschool friendly???  Did you just skip the labs in this book and use Experiences in Chemistry Lab Manual (as suggested by Rainbow Resource) or other lab source?

    5. Did you do the testing within or did you use a narration approach? Did you add in living books, or would a student feel overwelmed trying to get the work done in the text as well as reading books in a typical year of schooling?

    Thank you for sticking with me as I figure out what direction I’m going to take with my dd for this next school year.  I appreciate it more than I can express.

    ~jacqleene

     

    blue j
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    Bump… Anyone?  Becca, have you or your husband looked this over? 

    Bookworm
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    I’ve never seen the entire curriculum, so I can’t really speak.  I have seen the portions put up as monthly lessons at schoolhouseteachers, the relatively new Old Schoolhouse lessons site.  There are two months up there if you have access there.  Those look entertaining, but not very intensive, although I can’t really say what the later lessons would be like.  I do like the way they have of teaching electron shells–they have a manipulative they call a “doo-wop” board and after plotting out a few elements it’d be a piece of cake to be able to remember electron configurations (simplified, of course!)

    blue j
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    Hmmm… the doo-wop board sounds interesting.  I don’t have access to the site you mention, but I will go check it out.  Thank you. Smile

     

    TailorMade
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    We looked at purchasing it a few years ago, even considered hosting a co-op. But, our finances dropped dramatically at the time and we never purchased it. I think it would be a fun way to learn the “grammar” of chemistry. ;0)

    Ya know, I took sciences in highschool. Chemistry ended up being hardest for me as I had an instructor that would have been,  in this day and time, fired for the examples he used to try to make connections for those who weren’t understanding. They were embarrassing and didn’t translate into anything of use for the majority of students in the classroom, especially the girls. Had I been through something like Friendly Chemistry, I think it would’ve made a difference in my grades and ability to use the information in that course. 

    One thing I’ve observed over the years with respect to math and science courses for homeschoolers is that there are just as many opinions on how to tackle them as there are for history, literature, and grammar. I’m certain it depends on each student and their parents to determine a good fit. 

    We have neighbors and even relatives who’ve utilized the school systems, both public and private. These students have obviously taken courses in science that were taught using traditional texts. Some have done well. Others have floundered. They all got credit whether they understood and can implement the material into their daily lives, or not. I’d rather my children understand the material presented in an alternative way and be capable of using it in the future than to receive a scraping by grade (which basically appears to me as time lost), detest the subject, and choose not to pursue learning more about it based on teaching methods or resources. 

    For some of our children, we have chosen to use resources that make understanding possible for their individual needs/learning styles. Others use the college level resources we have on our shelves alongside these family style “spines.”

    I don’t know if you are familiar with the Robinson Curriculum, or not. Dr. Robinson proposes not even beginning a science course until completing all math courses through physics. He states that highschool textbooks (including Apologia) are watered down and that especially chemistry is taught incorrectly and must be relearned based on higher math skills later in college by those pursuing science degrees. So, if your intentions for your child(ren) are college based, you might consider spending more time on math first. Then, the college level science courses (either dual enrollment or used texts) may be less intimidating and more fruitful. 

    There are CLEP tests that can be utilized to receive college credit if your child masters these and other subjects. That can lessen the financial burden of college. I know some families that utilize this tool. One family in our area adamantly opposes this as not a “real” way to earn college credit. 

    So, be aware that if you pursue this avenue, you might run into friction with others. But, encourage them in their academic pursuits and enjoy learning with your children in the way it works for your family. You might even enjoy taking the tests for credit, too, as we all learn things we never learned in school while we study alongside our children. ;0)

    Hth,

    Becca<><

    Bookworm
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    I DO want to mention just a couple of things for the college-bound: 

    1.  CLEP is taken by SOME universities for credit, but NOT by any means all.  NONE of the schools my son applied to accepted CLEP as credit; a couple did accept AP.  AP is by FAR the more accepted, especially by selective schools.  Some of the adcoms I spoke to LAUGHED when I mentioned CLEP as credit.  And I’ve never seen a department that wanted to see a student take a MAJOR course as a CLEP credit; so, for instance, if one might be headed to school to study a science, I’d definitely NOT consider a CLEP.  The best bet for using CLEP would be at a community college first, then transfer.

    2.  There IS a valid point that a lot of science has to be “re-learned” after taking calculus if one is studying it seriously.  BUT you need to convince the major universities of this.  A great many students are NOT going to be able to take math through calculus by the age of 14 or 15 or so, which they’d need to do if they then wanted to still take biology, chemistry and physics in high school.  Not to mention you’d need to acquire college level texts, and it’d be even HARDER for any parent to teach it.  And most colleges REQUIRE two to three lab science courses even to be CONSIDERED for admission.  So unless your kid is a crazy-genius type, I’d definitely NOT recommend this approach after being through the college admissions process.  Your kid would not even be considered for most universities in the country if they had NO science credits.  Not to mention that I’ve heard a number of universities tell me not to even bother with calculus in high school unless the student takes it at a college–apparently they college math departments need to do a lot of “reteaching” to kids taught calculus in high schools.  That’s why we sent ours to a college for this.  In addition, I do respect Dr. Robinson but I had MANY physics professors when I was calling around, tell me to go ahead and teach the basic algebra-based physics in high school.   Sure, he’ll need to relearn a lot after calculus, BUT he will then just be focusing on the math applications and not needing to learn BOTH the basic vocabulary and concepts AND math at the same time.  Which is a considerable source of stress.  Physics is hard enough; teaching some of it in high school can indeed be valuable. 

    blue j
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    Thank you both for your insights. For us, at this juncture, we will not be able to finish the math before starting the science with my 15 yo.  I could try that with our youngest, but I’m pretty sure she’s not wired that way.  She is mathmatically abled but tends toward the creative with music & drawing.  At any rate, I’ll have to see just how far & fast she goes as I do go at the kids’ speed with MUS – having them accomplish whatever they are able in a set amount of time rather than a set amount of work for however long it takes… usually, anyway.  I do understand the point of taking all of the math and then the science, though.

    As far as the CLEP goes, we would utilize that because our children who require a college degree for their chosen discipline will likely start at one of our local community colleges before moving to a four year college, though again, we are aware that could change given the right circumstances.

    What I am after with my dd’s science course is that she really enjoy it.  This particular child has a natural ability in that area, but doesn’t really see it because she’s sometimes struggled mightily with trudging through the material.  While I am not at all opposed to putting your head down and just marching through a difficult subject, I really don’t want to make science more difficult for her than it really is.  In part, I have been slow to identify her learning style because for some things, her dominant style is listening/audio followed closely by reading/visual – she excells with our foreign language programs because they meet her needs, for instance.  However, in some areas, she’s a picture/visual learner – and in this instance it’s that way in both math and science.  I was slow to pick that up, and as a result even though she’s fairly proficient in science, she doesn’t or didn’t see that.  This year she’s come back around to really enjoying science.  I want to keep that blossoming enjoyment growing.

    So no matter what text I may choose to use to beef it up, I will use the Chemistry 101 for it’s visual teaching.  However, I would very much like to make the reading that must be done with this to be informative, engaging, and yet easy enough, for lack of a better way to say it, so that I do not dampen her enthusiasm…. again.  This is the same child who, at one time, considered becoming a veterinarian, chiropractor, and electrician as well as photographer and cosmetologist. I am beginning to think that part of the reason she set aside the first two, besides her extremely practical side viewing the cost/return ratios, is because I unwittingly placed hurdles in her way without realizing it with the curriculum we used.  She is quiet about some things, and so didn’t tell me she thought she wasn’t “smart at science” until after quite a time of trying to figure out what the issue was. 

    All of that long-windedness to explain a bit better why I may seem as though I’m bending over backwards trying to find *just the right* science books and let you both know how much I appreciate your words of wisdom. Smile

    Pax,

    ~jacqleene

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