England/Austen Question (oh Liiiiiinndaaaa…)

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  • LillyLou
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    Okay, here goes.  And I hope you don’t mind me directing this to poor Linda, who probably gets bombarded with questions about home, but since you actually have the word “shire” in your screen name… 

    Possibly the strangest question about literature in the history of this forum:  In many Jane Austen (and other authors’-Bronte, for example) books (which, of course, I love) there are times when she writes that someone hails from, or went to “—Shire”, or she’ll write about “Lord


    “.  Pray educate me.  I don’t understand.  I understand that there are many “shires” in England, but why not write out the name?  Am I already supposed to know or assume which town (shire) she’s referring to?  Did she want me to know?  Did she want to make up a fictional shire, but wasn’t allowed to, or couldn’t come up with a good one?  Same with Lords and such?  

    ThanksEmbarassed If it’s obvious, and I should already know the answer, I will beg your pardon, and banish myself to the land of the “Unread Peoples” for a week…(even though I know I won’t like it there)

    LillyLou (who really does love good books!)

     

    HeidiS
    Participant

    I love Austen and I don’t know the answer to that question either. I always just chalked it up to the authors eccentricity 😉

    Linda? Anyone?

    I will do my best ladies. You are correct there are many shires in England and I am from one of them, hence my name on this forum MissingtheShires. I am from Warwickshire, and some others are Leicestershire, Worcestershire, Bedfordshire etc – In the days when Jane Austen wrote authors wanted to keep the place somewhat vague and not have a place perfectly pinned down for people to recognise. Consequently “—-shire” could mean whatever the reader wanted it to mean. The shires are all beautiful and have similar attributes,and life in the shires would have been similar and interchangeable, so I think authors did this to simplify things for themselves. They would do the same thing with the names “Lord___” or “Prime Minister____” because again they would not want to use someone of the day who would be recognized and maybe she had perhaps written something inaccurate. So really it was to protect herself or whichever author used this device to protect themselves from mistakes. For example my county of Warwickshire has similarities to Worcestershire but those of us who live there would know if something that was from one place was attributed to another – and of course where people were concerned the authors did not want to make gross errors that could cause offence or issues. They did it also with regiments and military matters, because some regiments were considered more honorable than others and so as to not cause offense they would leave it blank. Hope this helps a bit. I love the shire of my birth and Jane Austen spent some time in the shires herself Hampshire, so she perhaps like me had a fondness for the shires. Linda

    LillyLou
    Participant

    Linda, you’re awesome.  Thank you for taking the time to answer that for me.  Gotta say, I always love hearing from youSmile 

    Cedargirl: Thanks for helpin’ me save face~you’re a gemWink Now I don’t have to hang out with the “unreads” bless you!

    Blessings, 

    LillyLou

    I only know some of this stuff because I lived there and because I had an awesome British Lit professor in college. Linda

    Jennifer
    Member

    Or maybe you two have to hang out there together…   Wink

    Just kididng of course.  I enjoyed hearing Linda’s answer as well. 

    TX-Melissa
    Participant

    I had wondered the same thing. Since I was reading a free Kindle version, I wasn’t even sure if it was supposed to be that way, or if something got lost in the digital translation. So, thanks for asking, LillyLou, and thanks for answering, Linda. 🙂

    blue j
    Participant

    So glad you asked that question, LillyLou.  I didn’t know either; our instructors in H.S. just said it was “short hand”, and never recall it being addressed in any of my college studies.

    Linda, thank you for answering. I have learned quite a lot from you. Smile

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