Doing more harm than good?

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  • mamato5
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    We have 5 kiddos between the ages of almost 13 to 2.  I have homeschooled them since the beginning of their education with the exception of our son for  2nd & 1/2 of 3rd grade.  He attended a Christian school for one year and a charter school for the other.  He did well there, but I always hated the run around and feeling tied to the school’s schedule. Dragging the others along to drop off and pick up, just seemed unfair to them.

    For the most part I enjoy homeschooling.  BUT, our eldest son makes things very difficult.  It might just be a personality clash but it’s been this way since he was about 3.  He is highly intelligent even though he has been diagnosed with ADHD and has help with medication. We don’t struggle with the actually “school” very much. Just mostly selfishness, laziness, sloppy work, excuses and picking at the other kids trying to do their studies.  He is always interrupting and demanding of mine and my husband’s attention.  Always wanting to be the center.  Our other children, don’t know any different and thus just seem to give in to him. Cry

    My husband and I are at the end of our rope.  We don’t have the troubles with our other 4 and have raised them almost exactly the same.  The 24 x 7 constantness makes me want to send him to school, and there let him learn ‘real life’.  I realize that sounds completely heartless, but it’s honest at the moment.  I am afraid that that I am ruining the other 4 children’s childhood with all the stress and discipline issues that go on every day with our eldest.

    It’s SO much more peaceful when we do school or anything when he is not here.  Everyone decompresses.  So my question is ……

    1. Could I be doing more harm keeping him home, than sending him to school??????

    2. If it’s best to keep him home, does anyone have a curriculum choice that might help keep him busy and have less time to be in trouble?

    I really would appreciate your input.  I know that this sounds like I don’t love him.  I think I do?  But I honestly have “lost that lovin’ feeling” if you know what I mean?

    Thank you for taking the time to read and write.

     

     

    LindseyD
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    amama5,

    It doesn’t sound like you don’t love your son. If you didn’t love him, you wouldn’t be trying to do what’s best for him and the rest of the family. The way your feeling is normal (and acceptable, I might add), and you shouldn’t be so hard on yourself for not wanting to put up with his behavior.

    In my opinion, I don’t think putting him in school is the best solution. First, school can’t teach him what only Home can. Such a high value is placed on Home and Family in the Scriptures that I can’t imagine the school environment offering more than you can offer yourself. I think the school environment might harm him more than keeping him home for several reasons.

    1. Can or will a teacher ever use Scripture, Christian role models, or natural consequences to teach good habits and instill self-control to walk in those habit? No.
    2. If your son did go to school and his behaviors continued, he would likely spend a considerable amount of time in the principal’s office or detention, which would lessen the amount he’s learning and probably cause him to have more homework or fall behind.
    3. 13 is a difficult age anyway. I wouldn’t want to be dealing with all you’re currently going through only to add the hardships and awkwardness of junior high/high school on top of all that.
    4. Rhetorical question: what can school offer him that you can’t?? And how can school teach him to interact with his family, if he’s not with his family most of the time?

    I don’t blame you for wanting to get away from the problem; I’m just not sure school outside of the home is the best solution. 

    As far as what you might be doing to help…

    Does he have control over something? Whether it’s his independent work that he is responsible for completing or an animal that only he is responsible to take care of, I think he might be trying to exert some independence. If you could find some outlet for him to have a sense of control, while also accomplishing something productive and teaching responsibility, it might help him.

    Also, (and I know this could get controversial, so please know that I write this with all humility) have you tried helping his ADHD without medication? Our dd exhibited a lot of ADD symptoms, and we were able to help them tremendously by changing her diet and removing chemicals from our home. Only you and your husband can decide what’s best for your son, but that’s just one option.

    This might be a dumb question, but have you read Laying Down the Rails? If you have, it might be beneficial to start a LDR “boot camp” of sorts with your son. If its attention he’s wanting, give it to him in a positive, constructive way. Enlist his help in changing his habits. He is old enough and capable to do it, and showing him you believe in him is going to be monumental to his success (and your peace).

    Finally, how is your son’s relationship with his Dad? Dad might be able to get through to him in a “manly” way that we moms can’t at his age. Undecided

    I’ll pray that things get better at your house and that the Holy Spirit will fall upon all of you with His peace. I pray that everyone has grace for each other, and that you are able to find rest and contentment amidst the crazniness. I truly hope I’ve been of some help. And if not, just know that I’ll be praying for you anyway!

    Smile,

    Lindsey

    My computer free time alarm is ticking so I will add a quick resource for you to read, one that I am currently reading as well. Raising Real Men by Hal and Melanie Young. It gives lots of encouragement and ideas for raising and appreciating boys as God made them to be.

    Rachel White
    Participant

    I think Lindsey covered most of what I would’ve said. I can, however, encourage you with a resource called “Boundaries with Kids“; there is a DVD and study guide to go with it for more in depth use, if desired. Also, one for Teens, but I’m only familiar with the aforementioned.

    If implemented, things will actually get worse before they get better, but just think long-term. This is not just for him, but for his siblings to learn appropriate boundaries and communication skills in relationships-not being bullied into saying “yes”, for example; also for his future success in the business world (he must function in an office setting and under the authority of bosses) and definitely for the health of his future marriage.

    Just some thoughts; with prayer and perseverance, you and your husband can do it.

    Rachel

    mamato5
    Member

    Thank you all!!!!  Wow….I feel blessed. 

    I truly appreciate your kind, thoughtful suggestions and offerings of prayer.  I will make a list of the books and get them!!!!  I have listened to the Laying Down The Rails audio, but have not purchased the book.  I don’t really know how to do a LDTR “boot camp” but I am eager to learn for sure!!!!!!!

    Thank you so very much!!!!!!!

     

    art
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    Your son sounds a little like my 12 year old daughter. She has always had problems, and the younger two were short changed because of it. Sometimes I feel really bad about that and I have thought of sending her to school too. I’m really glad I didn’t. I decided even though it was “unfair” to the others, that it was just part of what they (and I) have to deal with in life. Everyone has something.

    I have to agree with everything the others have said. I have the book Boundaries by the same authors mentioned above. It’s not the one “with Kids”, but it is amazing. I’m sure the one about kids specifically is equally amazing.

    Don’t be hard on yourself–or your son. Give him a hug. My husband has to remind me to hug our daughter. It isn’t always easy to feel like doing it spontaneously.

    Good luck!

    Lesley Letson
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    I don’t really feel I have the wisdom to give “advice” on what to do (keep homeschooling or not) but your son and the struggles you have sound just like my oldest (which is a son) – we are just a good bit behind you age wise 🙂  I do understand the guilt that comes with having a child that is at times hard to love. I have to work a lot harder to love that particular child than I do the others and I find myself on his case alot – I have to make more purposeful efforts to show him love, grace, and mercy. That to say, one thing I have to remind myself often (especially when I am getting down about our clashes) is that God has put our family together and planned for us all to live together before the foundations of the earth! He is sanctifying us together as a family and we are all perfect for one another’s sanctification (though far from perfect!). I would also encourage you that no matter your decision don’t feel like you are doing harm to anyone. Again – God gave these children to YOU and no one else – He knew that YOU are the perfect person to be their mom (not perfect, but the perfect one). You know all of your children better than anyone else and will make the best decision for them all. And to quote a wise friend of mine “don’t buy into Mommy guilt – it is cheap and good for nothing!” Seek the Lord’s guidance – He WILL give you direction. And of course you love your son, else you wouldn’t be struggling over this decision and seeking out counsel! 🙂

    mamato5
    Member

    Thank  you ladies!!!!

    It is so good to know that I am not the only one who feels the way I do.  I never thought about God using our children in the process of sanctification.  HELLO……….????!!!!!!!  What an eye opener! 

    It’s amazing how the Holy Spirit can convict and confront you of something during your everyday Bible reading.  I love it, even when I know I am messing up.  Just this morning I was reading in 1 Timothy and the subject of santification came up.  Not sure now if it was through a cross reference or just in 1 Tim., anyway it was confirmation that sanctification is a p-r-o-c-e-s-s.  I tell ya, I must need ALOT of work because the Lord gave me 5 little monkeys to help s-a-n-c-t-i-f-y me.  LOL

    I appreciate your kind words more than you know.

    Have a blessed weekend!

    Thank you for your post, mamato5!  I do not feel so alone now!  Oh the tears that have been shed lately.  My kids ages are similar, 13 to 3 (5 of them) and then I have two older daughters, 15 and 17.  My oldest son is very similar to what has been mentioned and YES..I have often thought of putting him in school, but it is a fleeting thought in frustration.  I would not do that to him! 

    I want to thank everyone for their comments…the Lord God is in control, I must not forget.

     

    Blessings,

     

    Kim

    lgeurink
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    Our 10yo dd has severe special needs and has attended our local Christian school full days since she was five.  This year we are finally able to have her home at noon since we have aids here to help her.  Doing school with the other girls would be impossible with her home.  We pray that she continues to grow and will be able to be home with us full time at some point, but that is not the best option for our family at this time.  Our other children have to sacrifice so much for her already that it is a nice break for them to have three hours of a little more normal time.  That is certainly not to say that her disabilities have not been a blessing to us all and have taught her siblings so much, because they have.  We just all need a break from her and I don’t feel bad saying that as she can not be unattended for any amount of time.  Fortunately she is at an amazing Christian school with one on one assistance where she is surrounded by Jesus.  If her school was not an option I would keep her home.  Not knowing the extent of your son’s issues or the school he would be attending, I can’t judge what you should do.  For me, I constantly evaluate our options to make sure she is in the best possible environment for her needs and that includes her school.  Do they do a better job than I can?  For the time frame that she is there, yes, because I need to be teaching our other kids, I can attend Bible study during that time to get the encouragement and help I need to be a good wife and mother, and we all get respite from a child that requires 24/7 care.  My suggestion would be to evaluate all your options and continue to do so, pray continually, and don’t be ashamed or afraid for your homeschool experience to look different from other families.

    I agree with lgeurink when she said “My suggestion would be to evaluate all your options and continue to do so, pray continually, and don’t be ashamed or afraid for your homeschool experience to look different from other families.”  ABSOLUTELY

    I will tell you..when I said I would not put my son in school “I would not do that to him” it is because when I think about that option…well…what we have here is a small town public school where I know he would find more trouble, he would follow the wrong crowd, I need to protect him from himself right now.  He has behavioral issues and turning him over to someone who will not encourage him in the Lord but would simply find more “wrong” with him would be devastating so…there is not that option for us, no doubt in my mind or my husbands. 

    I will trust the Lord that what is going on in our family, with our children is under His control and our younger kids, yes it is hard sometimes but this is “our” trial, we will walk through it with everyone.  Every family has their trials, struggles, things they go through.  It is hard when we feel like something is hard on our younger ones but they will survive.  I agree also with mjemom “That to say, one thing I have to remind myself often (especially when I am getting down about our clashes) is that God has put our family together and planned for us all to live together before the foundations of the earth! He is sanctifying us together as a family and we are all perfect for one another’s sanctification (though far from perfect!). I would also encourage you that no matter your decision don’t feel like you are doing harm to anyone. Again – God gave these children to YOU and no one else – He knew that YOU are the perfect person to be their mom (not perfect, but the perfect one).  AMEN

    lgeurink
    Member

    Ditto on the AMEN.  Watching my family dynamics change and grow over the last ten years is like getting a peek at God’s plan.  It excites me for the future even though I know the future holds struggles and grief as well as blessings. 

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