Complaints and negativity from 10yo

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  • Renelle
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    We have ds10, who is generally lovely to be around but for sometime now he groans and complains about most things I ask him to do or be part of. Ds 10 is a little prone to being emotional and dramatic (one small thing changes or goes wrong for him and the world is crashing down around him). He has been diagnosed at 6 with Asperger Syndrome (mild). He criticizes his 4yo sister, can’t stand being around small children, everything seems to offend him (food, babies, writing)

    I am just about to get started on working on helping him develop the oppposite, not sure what positive habit to call it…..positivity, obedience, Manners, self control, respect, fortitude?

    I find it difficult to distract his thoughts, as once something is in his head and out his mouth it seems to stick and so I’m grappling with how to do this. Do I continue to remind him about not complaining everytime it arises? Distracting him with positive experiences can be exhausting. 

    Does anyone have any ideas or experiences with these type of habits?

    Thank you for reading.

    Warmest wishes, Renelle

    4myboys
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    I have a son who sounds much like yours, except he’s never had a diagnosis other than dysgraphia.  I brought him home from PS because he was picking up such a bad attitude.  We are still trying to train him out of it.  I think part of it is the age — signs of puberty are starting.  He’s also very social and isn’t satisfied to hang out with mom and younger brother all day.  It’s cool if dad’s off and they are gone doing “man” stuff together. 

    Unfortunately I tend to get vetoed a lot on the media exposure around here, and I would say a lot of his attitude comes from there.  Dh works in TV, so refuses to get rid of cable.  Our main tv doesn’t have cable, but they are always watching netflix and he is always getting them new video games.  I can control their exposure only so much when dh is home.  I do try to get the tv off at 7pm, but dh usually just moves to the bedroom and starts watching there until I have the boys ready for bed and I call him to read to our younger ds.

    So, ya.  I feel your pain.

    LauraNthree
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    My DS is only 6 and no diagnosis of anything, but he is very emotional and sometimes I am at a complete loss as to how to respond. Do I provide comfort, hold his hand, tell him it’s ok? Or do I try a firmer approach, not coddle him, teach him to handle things better? It’s tough. So I don’t have much advice but I feel for you! There are different tactics with kids that are surprising in their results, KWIM? Maybe there is something that would work for him.

    4myboys…I totally relate to the TV thing also. My Dh has the attitude of “I watched alot of tv and I turned out fine”. So the majority of the time I am the “bad guy” who limits tv or video game time. It’s so frustrating. I hate seeing that zombie look on their little faces when my 3 and 6 year old are zoned out. He even occasionally puts the baby in his high chair in front of the tv to see if it will keep him entertained for a little bit. I can understand the temptation to do that so I don’t really judge him for it but I really really don’t want my kids watching alot of tv or being little video game addicts. I try to implement boundaries but they fluctuate depending on how tired I am or how much is going on. Ugh.

    Renelle
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    Thank you 4myboys and LauraNthree.

    We don’t watch too much tv, maybe 1hr a day if that. We also only have recreational computer (ds likes Settlers or Minecraft) 1 hr a day as well. We do use computer for Teaching Textbooks and occassionally to research something. 

    I thought I’d use this printable  from Mama Jen to help, that someone else on the forum shared recently. One habit at a time and I have the free books from SCM as well as Laying Down The Rails. I’m just trying to nut out how to and what to focus on I guess. I’m not even sure what to call the positive habit I’d like him to develop…..atm it’s not complaining! but I don’t want to use those words I want to give him a positive habit to develop instead of just avoiding the undesirable one KWIM?

    At the moment I’m leaning towards Respect and in turn positivity. I thought that a part of this would not be complaining/criticizing others needs, parents requests etc I would like him to have a positive outlook on life and be the glass half full type of person. He dwells on negative atm. Anyway I’m onto it but it is a challenge.

     

    SueinMN
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    I would begin your day with prayer and Bible memorization and meditation on the Bible verses. We all need to change our stinking thinking to God’s way of thinking. Begin your day with the thought to meditate on for the day and review the previous ones too. Oh and by the way I looked at the Mama Jenn website. She has some great ideas. I think you are on your way to success!

    Renelle
    Participant

    Thankyou Sue, good to be reminded. 

     

    chocodog
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    I tought I might add there is a Bible verse about not whining, complaining or murmuring. I would give it to you but my son took it down off of my bulletin board because we were using it so much. 🙂  I guess he was feeling the self conviction on that one. eh?

      Anothers we have used were     Prov. 12:16-  A fool shows his annoyance at once, but a prudent man overlooks an insult. 

       James 1:19- Everyone should be quick to listen, slow to speak and slow to become angry.

       Prov 12:1 – Whoever love discipline loves knowledge, but he who hates correction is stupid.

       It was funny but I would make him read these out loud when he became angry or frustrated. When he got to Prov. 12:1 He would automatically say.  “I AM NOT STUPID”    I often wondered what was going on in his head when he read that one??? 🙂  I didn’t say anything just let him be self convicted. 

       I am glad you reminded me to point them out because my son has the same problem and I find that everyday is a different way of handling these children.  This morning I could have used them. He was way angry and has been pretty distructive.  I agree it is worse when he is in front of video games, flashing or flickering lights and TV. I don’t let him watch it very much, only on movie night.  I really hate it when we don’t get to see something first because he has a memory like an elephant and he uses what he sees on TV against us. He really is agressive sometimes after watching even the simplest of shows. AS for games, that really wigs him out.  I don’t know what it is about those things that makes him worse but I also see it. I usually don’t let the TV on. I only let them play educational games and that is limited. I still see it though.  I just think they are wired that way. Some things make them worse. I just tell mine this is going to happen if you do that….  He knows I am serious because I follow through.  There are times I have not wanted to go on vacation. Before we left I was having so many problems with him.  I think the ten year old mark makes it even more of a problem. My 10 yr. old has been more whiny.  He is usually really good and lately he doesn’t want to do anything and whines about it if I ask him to.  He is really good and usually does what I ask of him so it is a shock when he is this way.  So, you probably have the best of both worlds going on here.   HORMONES and Aspergers… UGH!!! 

                   Good luck! 

    Sue
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    Your son and mine have so much in common. 13yo ds was diagnosed with mild autism around age 8. He has come a long way, but many things have been slow to change. He is a complainer, too, and I find that often I have to step back and tell myself, No, I don’t like the complaining (and we’re told not to in the Bible), but does he maybe need a break right now? (This can happen when we’ve spent some time on a subject and he’s had ‘enough.’) Or is he just having a hard time transitioning to the next thing? (This kind of complaining occurs when I announce that it’s time for _____, and he indicated he doesn’t want to do ______.)

    Other than trying to figure out what he needs and whether we can/should adapt at the moment, you’re right–it is exhausting, constantly trying to keep him a “happy camper.” It’s a balancing act, teaching him that life isn’t always a bed of roses vs. avoiding meltdowns. I’m really thinking of switching around our school day, since my girls are somewhat better at working independently and they keep complaints to a minimum.

    Kids on the autism spectrum just flat-out have difficulty with anything that makes them feel as though they are not in control of their environment or themselves. My son has just recently (in the past two years) gotten used to playing with much younger kids, and he actually finds it quite nice to act as a big brother to them. It just sort of happened itself over time. He couldn’t tolerate much noise, so we sit near the back of the church (away from the loud speakers), we find a quieter place for him to sit or wander around when at a large family gathering, and we do what we can to get everyone to use inside voices to a fault at home. (Tough, because my dad is hard of hearing and he lives with us.)

    My son likes checklists (well, until he fails to earn a check one day), so charts are good for him, and I will decide on a reward ahead of time, maybe writing it on the chart or including a picture of it. However, the learning curve is much different for him, so after the time allowed on a chart, we will sometimes take a brief break, then I ask him if he honestly has been doing what we worked on. If we agree that it needs more work (which it usually does), we do another chart with another reward. (Hint: don’t get too grand with rewards in case you have to work on this habit over 4 or 5 charts!) Then, we just start with another chart. I always remind him that this time, it’s going much more smoothly because he’s gotten better since the first chart and tell him that we’ll get there soon.

    It’s not unusual for a habit (such as daily brushing of teeth) to take him months longer to develop than my neuro-typical girls. That’s just the way it is. For that reason, I often choose a different habit for him to work on so he’s not comparing and asking why the girls don’t have to do a chart for “x” anymore.

    The other thing I have discovered over time is that it’s better not to contend with him while he’s expressing his frustration or anger. I just end up looking ridiculous as I try to talk over him, keep starting over with my mini-lecture, or keep insisting that he stop yelling/interrupting/complaining/whatever else he’s doing. I may be “the boss,” but that doesn’t mean I can “flip a switch” to get him to stop and be compliant. So, I usually either stand by and calmly say, “When you’re done arguing, I’ll talk to you about it,” or I just walk away and talk to him a little later. This is hard for my oldest to understand (“Why don’t you punish him? Punish him now!”), but she’s beginning to see how futile it is to bump heads with him, so to speak.

    Also, I was told by our pastor’s wife to pray for my kids while they are sleeping. I either stand outside their bedroom doors and quietly pray, or it they are sound asleep, I’ll actually go into the room to pray. This is very helpful with my son because, as is often the case with autism, he doesn’t like to be held or touched a lot (he does give me hugs, but they are quick and still a bit stiff), and when he’s upset, he rails against being prayed for. So, I pray Scripture verses about healing (“….by Whose stripes, you were healed….”) while he’s asleep.

    Renelle
    Participant

    Thankyou Chocodog and Sue.

    I prayed over ds the night before and he had a really great day the next day and I only had to remind him once not to start complaining. Ds does not like touch either and when I do get a hug which is on a daily basis it is stiff and quick. 

    Sue our boys sound very similar. Ds beomes frustrated, confused, can forget basic things (brush teeth) but remember word for word things he has heard via movie, conversation, book. He has moments where he just is so loving, positive and affectionate and then days where he is the opposite and I struggle to find what it is that has caused the change. He can be extremely generous and thoughtful and then it only takes a small thing and he decides he’s all about himself again.

    Chocodog, I’ll use those bible verses thankyou. I won’t make a point of giving them to him as such but we’ll use them as family memory verses and I might put them up somewhere. 

    Talking about it here is helping me get my head around how to approach it all. I am trying to respond to him as I think Jesus would. I am trying to be firm but gracious and loving. In the past I have lost my patience with him and done more damage with my repsonses and I know hurting him with a harsh comment doesn’t help. I don’t want to respond like that and make him miserable again.

    So yesterday we’ve had a good day, as I made an effort to watch the mood of the household and guide it. He got all his chores done and bookwork done and had a nice time together and he went off to Scouts had a nic night came home had a shower and warm milk and off to bed. I have a definite role in the mood and expectation in the home and he even said to me ‘Mum you haven’t raised you voice today.’ How embarrassing. I made an effort not to call out from one room to another or from inside the house to outside and I think it made a difference. He told me when I yell out it makes him feel stressed even though I’m just calling him. So I am trying to remember to seek him out not yell out til I find him. It takes more effort but if it worked like yesterday I’ll keep it up. Even mum has some habits to improve. I’ve know for a while he doesn’t like loud noises so I wondered why I kept calling him like that?

    Thanks again for commenting it has been very helpful.

    Blessings, Renelle

     

     

     

    Rachel White
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    Respect is a good, all-emcompassing concept to begin with; respect for himself, for parents and others-others are made in the image of G-d. That’s a good reminder that when he is diminishing another, he is diminishing a person made in G-d’s Image. This concept and describing it this way really makes my dd think. My dd is so impulsive, the goal is to make her think. Self-control is absolutely necessary as a foundation for any of these, as without it, one can’t slow down and think so that he can be respectful, or control themselves enough to hold their tongue, etc. Another verse I repeat and they are beginning to is Romans 12:2; which is related to the transforming and renewing of the mind. This transforming and renewal is essential, in addition to the heart condition, to the the actions of a person.

    Also, if you can, try to reinforce the idea that we are to serve one another in love and show them honor. If he’s acting ugly, assign for him extra service projects for the person he acted unjustly towards.

    Another verse that came to mind when you mentioned about reminding him not to complain, plus his treatment of others, is Eph. 4:29. When my son becomes too critical (in a prideful way, not a helpful, instructive way) in his comments, I ask him: “Is this beneficial to _?” or something along those lines that recalls that particular verse.

    Do you have consequences for excessive complaining? You shouldn’t be reminding him multiple times in a day. Also, what kind of attention does he get when he’s “dramatic”? When my dd, whoi has sensory processing disorder, used to pull the drama queen stuff, I’d send her directly away from everyone so she did not receive any attention for her behavior and gave her a time limit on it if she were to perpetuate in her room. She has begun to show signs of these behaviors again; now that she’s 11 it seems behaviors that we dealt with when she was 4, 5 and 6, are popping back again, just in slightly altered forms; so we’re dealing with them head-on to nip in the bud while at the same time, building up the desired, BIblical disciplines.

    So for us: self-control, respect, honor (which includes obedience to parents) and gratitude is where I start. Those bring together so much. Those can be purely action oriented while the heart is being changed; you can act a certain way even if you don’t feel like it-the feelings will follow the action, don’t wait to act right till you feel like it, it probably won’t come. I tell my dd that she is to act a certain way even if she doesn’t feel like it and ask G-d to help her feelings and heart to follow, with instruction in the Word and prayer.

    Just some quick ideas.

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