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  • mrsmccardell
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    That’s fantastic that he signed “spilled water on socks” to you. Keep going! It may feel slow but remember that as soon as you start to understand his words, he’ll drop the sign. My dd had 3 clear words at 3…the rest was gibberish to our ears.

    I had more thoughts…cod liver oil is great for kids with apraxia…higher doses too. Also, does he talk a lot while laying down? Do you hike, swim, horse ride? Building his core helps towards building his fine motor/mouth.

    wife2agr8man
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    Mrsmccardell, I may want to chat with you. My apraxic daughter just turned seven, not that they should be at the same spots, but to compare struggles could be helpful.

    Laurie, I just saw this thread and it is completely overwhelming. At two or three, I feel like all of the therapists want to make as much gains as possible. It is a great age to change and develop, but for our family, apraxia has been a journey. The therapists would say, we are going to get this resolved by five. Five came, and I was in tears because we weren’t resolved. At six, after four years of therapy, my daughter scored at the 1% level for her age group…..seriously this was such a major blow.

    This is NOT to discourage you, but it is to allow yourself time to digest the child, the problem, and the situation. Realize what you need to do for yourself, for him, for your husband, and the rest of your family. Then enjoy the journey and don’t try to sprint. It isn’t going to work.

    As for the reading, my therapist told me 50% of kids have a really hard time with reading, I suspected this would be the case with my daughter because we have a family history of reading problems. After 18 months, (4.5-6), of making absolutely zero progress with phonics we switched to a sight word program. My therapist totally discourage this, she said the research says otherwise.

    My daughter has thrived on the sight word program. She has learned so much, but it is time consuming and she would be a bit further along if we would have gone against the norm sooner. This is typically why they start sight word programs at a younger age.

    It sounds like you are doing a great job! Keep it up.

    Laurie
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    he signed water and socks, the rest I figured out.  He will jabber quite a bit when we put him down for a nap, sometimes to my chagrin (I want nap time too!)  We have an orchard so he is out and about quite a bit and there is no even ground so he gets quite a work out.

    Thanks wife2agr8man.  I think I am so overwhelmed because it is still fresh. We knew the speech was an issue but having a label and being told this could be a lot of work for a long time was a bit much.  I’m curious what sight word program just so I have it in the back of my head. thanks

    Our OT is very encouraged with him and I really am grateful for the communication we have.  it does feel slow because we’ve already been through so much and while every one says these years fly by, the days have been long so I think we should be further.  Time to breath deep.

    Laurie
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    The summer speech program is over and early intervention is now sending a therapist to the house.  He has blossomed, mostly with approximatation, but words.  Most are prompted, but a few like blue and yellow were initiated by him.  I think he likes to hear himself say yellow.

    Next question:I’m struggling a bit with books (and maybe this is more age appropriate) because he wants ones with lots of pictures.  Sometimes I can read a few sentences on a page before he flips it or turns back to the previous pictures.  I watch all the books other parents from his story time check out and think he won’t sit still for that.  I’ve tried.  Some of this may be because of the stroke because he is right dominate.  I may be overanalyzing as he isnt’ that into music either and I’ve played a few audiobooks in the background, but he takes no interest. He will by himself flip through any book I bring home from the library to look at the pictures.

    I have picked out some picture books that are easy just for simple sentences to practice speech with him.  (i.e.Mama wants, baby wants, daddy wants…).  He does get frustrated easy some days when he wants something and can’t tell/sign/show us. Usually in the mornings.

    I would love to hear more from both of you about what you faced and what you did.  I’m too much the planner and already thinking how this might affect him in school.  I’m a bit concerned that his inattention to my reading may translate later into a harder time with learning in the CM way.

    mrsmccardell
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    Hi Laurie. That’s great that he’s making progress and initiating! Please make sure you like his new therapist and agree with her approach…ask questions and if you feel it’s a rocky relationship with your son in any way you are allowed to request a different therapist (just so you know).

    Books can take time especially for some boys. He is soooo young so take one day at a time. I, too, was very anxious to get to the longer, meatier books with my kiddos. I tried and it didn’t work so now we do longer picture books. But at 3, my dd couldn’t sit for long either. I just kept reading aloud and a little more animated than most. What are some titles you are trying to read to him right now?

    Audiobooks are great in the car..they have no choice but to listen. Offer variety and he may surprise you. Can he follow a fast-talker? That may be a reason he doesn’t like music too…not able to “hear” it as it goes too fast. Classical?

    Have you figured out what he wants in the mornings? Can you offer him pictures on the fridge of typical choices he would make in the morning? Let me know if you need me to explain how you introduce it to him.

    I, too, wondered if CM would be a good fit for my dd and I am happy to say that she is doing wonderful! We are also doing a home therapy program called Neurodevelopment therapy with a group called Hope and a Future.

    Please do not look too far into the future because he may grow leaps and bounds at a point. Your sticking to the books he enjoys and slowly training him to go a little further will help him make that growth so much easier/faster. You will have to push him a little but go slowly. Picture books are okay and if he enjoys them keep it up…instill his love of learning.

    Does that help?

    Laurie
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    Yes, thank you! 

    Our first therapist mentioned the singing and being too fast. She had a CD title that slowed things down, but I never got it before she left for the summer.  I need to try to contact her again.  Besides Sparkle Stories I haven’t found too many audio books.  As for books, anything with animals.  I try to pick up others on occasion to introduce him to cars, trains etc and he may glance at them once, but right back to the animals.  Future vet maybe? ha.  So lots of conversations with the OT, too.

    Yes, this latest therapist is not doing much and the OT and I talked about it. This is a group practice and they have bi-monthly meetings.  We only have this therapist until Oct ehan we switch out of early intervention.  The next has actual experience with apraxia kids and is excited to work with them. 

    I do turn on classical, too.  I tried all types of music.  We did hit on one song that peeks his interest and play it in the car often. I can sing it in my sleep now.  It is a repetative song.  Oh, hadn’t thought of that so maybe I will look along that line more though many toddler songs do just that.

    Thanks for the encouragement.

    Laurie
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    I want to thank everyone for you input and advice and say we have seen great progress for my son’s speech. We have a speech therapist that I love and everyday we have words trying to come out.  This has become our focus but my next question…

    What did you ladies do about the alphabet and trying to teach it?  He can pronounce some letters (T,B,D,A,E,I,O,U), but most are still pretty tough.  Most are just us playing with sounds (A,E,I,O,U) (T – mom loves tea) so I can’t tell if he recognizes them or not and am trying to find a good way to work more with him on these.

    Thanks,

    Laurie

    retrofam
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    I am using Child1st.com materials for reading with a child with different issues, but I think their multisensory approach would work well.  Check out their blog and contact the author if needed.

    mrsmccardell
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    Hi Laurie!  I’m so happy to hear that you’re seeing progress.  This may sound like a silly question but with all that you’re working on with him why are you concerned with him saying the alphabet?  Can you just teach him the letter sounds without the pressure of him saying them?  And then when he feels comfortable, he’ll attempt the sound.  It’s kind of the same thought with sign language.  They drop the sign when they are being understood verbally.  He’ll chime in with the sound when he can.  It just takes that pressure off of him.  It’s all hard work so if you’re focusing on other areas with him this may just need to wait until he’s ready.

    Otherwise, here are some ideas.

    Play fish with letter cards and you only refer to the sound.

    Sing the abc song sloooowly and take turns saying each sound (so you’re using the tune not the actual song)

    We sang silly songs just to get the sound in there…what kid can resist singing!  After some success with that you can show them the letter it belongs to.

    ABeCeDarian is a wonderful reading program that my dd is using.  It really emphasizes letter sound isolation (works well for dyslexics apparently).

    Keep us posted!

    Laurie
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    Why? Because isn’t that what you do with your preschool aged kiddos is teach them the alphabet. **sigh**  I think it is easy to see what all the other kids are doing, and reading about this and that and think I am not doing enough.  I come here for my reality check!  We play with letters and of course when I read teach them the letters in their name first, well he has some of the toughest, it is discouraging at time.

    Step back, deep breath and slow down.  Just play.  I have to tell myself this a lot as others give their input on what he should be doing. Thanks

    mrsmccardell
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    Hi Laurie.  I hope I wasn’t discouraging.  I had to learn to accept where my child was rather than where I wanted her to be.  It’s good to push them in that direction and waiting for them to be ready is hard.  I just try to remind myself that it’s so much harder to do things myself when I’m not ready.  My dd8 still can’t rhyme.  I’ll say hi and she can’t name a rhyming word.  I gave up and moved onto other skills.  We’ll try again some other time.

    I also learned that that we need to work on things that she is good at rather than focus on all her needs.  It took a few years for her to be good at something!

    Keep up the good work!

    Laurie
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    No, you weren’t at all and I appreciate the know-how you have.  I think we all have “those” days where you feel like you aren’t doing right, and over do it.  He really is doing well and I’ve read so many stories where families have struggled longer and harder than we have with speech.

    TGK
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    We also have a kid with apraxia, who is now 7.  The majority of people can no longer notice his issues, but as his parents we are more in tune.  When he gets tired, his speech really suffers, though sometimes it is just plain old apraxia – beginning/end of words being dropped, slight pauses while he looks for an alternative word to say (rather than stammering over the original word he wanted), mix up of sounds (shunshine instead of sunshine), having to break down longer words (today’s apraxic word pronunciation of the day – um-br-ella, not umbellam) Since not all these show up at once and he can now say complex sentences, most people don’t notice.  The change from age 3 to 4.5 was huge. Mainly we saw lits of small progress that gave us hope, and he noticed too. He went to a local Early Childhood preschool for 3 hours a day and we focused a lot on speech at home, encouragung use of words/signs.  The tantrums were trying but now only appear when his brain is tired.

    Over the past few years, I have learned that songs and stories work well in teaching him new concepts.  Online videos have been great to introduce new concept or reinforce others.  Days of the week, months of the year, counting to 100 by 10’s – all sung + learned while brushing teeth.

    Adding a ‘u’ with ‘q’ – “q is shy. Why? His tail is backwards! He thinks it looks funny, so he doesn’t like to go out.  However, his friend U is such a good friend and does not mind Q’s tail.  Because of U being such a great friend Q is able to go out, but only when U also goes.  You will never see him without his great friend U.”. That was the story I told to get him to remember how to write the letter Q and how to spell words with it in there (queen, quiet, etc.)

    We are also currently struggling with math.  Not sure how to unlock the understanding there, but we keep trying.

    It can be very frustrating when the thing you have been working to learn, which finally was learned, was forgotten because you try to learn another new thing and the brain ‘had to make room for the new data.’

    As for reading and speech, my hope had been that reading would help.  It has to an extent, as we can sound out words or write simple ones to clarify.  However, my son is by far NOT a strong reader and struggles with fluid reading.  My 5 year old is much better, which only highlughts the weakness.

    Each kid is different, which is so frustrating to hear.  We have noticed a good change with fish oils (DHA), thanks to a docs recommendation, so those are taken daily along with a multivitamin.

    We also do school work as early as possible so his brain is not tired, before breakfast time is good, but definitely before lunch.

    We like to play the game where I say a word and they guess the beginning letter, or the ending letter, whichever we are working on.  Then we switch it up and I give a sound/letter and they find a word.  A good game for the car or while waiting somewhere, or walking past signs.

    Oh, and for some sounds (/th/, /sh/,etc.) I have also had to come up with short stories to help remember movements – “/sh/, like grandma kisses “, for example.  Or /g/ is down in your throat like you swallowed it.

    Every new sound, word, sign is a success.  Praise them all and keep encouraging.  Our kids may not learn the same way, so don’t stress about trying to teach the same way you might for a typical kid. Have fun with it.

    Laurie
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    TGK,  Wow you are amazing.  I love how you have worked so many of these ideas and where did you ever come up with q is shy.  We aren’t near that stage yet, but I am excited by all that has come over the past few months.  Still lots of approximations, but the signs help if I can’t figure it out and then I learn what he is trying to say for next time.  I try to sing, but never now what songs to use.  The ABCs we do.  I would love to hear what other songs you used over the years.

    thanks,

    Laurie

    TGK
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    For ABCs I try as many versions as I know, so I can sung them all and it is like 3 songs instead of 1 being repeated.  The first is the traditional version, then one we learned at church (it has extra phrases between certain letters), and the one from Super Why!.

    Sometimes we sing a song I learned as a kid from Sesame Street that counts from 1-12.

    With all songs, I slow them down as necessary.  Makes you, as the singer, really think about the music.

    Head andshoulders, knees and toes …

    I get a lot from YouTube – days of the week, 2-d shapes, months of the year, counting songs, songs about the seasons…. As my kids have gotten older we moved into months of the year, 3-d shapes, add/subtract, phonics (mainly when an e makes a vowel say its name and when there are two vowels together), etc.

    We also sing the books of the Bible.  My apaxic kid learned the New Testament ones and earned ice cream.  🙂 I was not a stickler on pronunciation, as long as I knew that the name was trying to be said it counted. I made up hand motions for the NT ones to help as visual cues, but have no idea what to do for the OT.

    Amazon has several free MP3s of folk music. Some they liked, some not.  We also used these to go with our Bible times, as I could find the stories which usually had a song too.

    I feel like there was so much more I could have done if only I had time and knew where to look. Often I feel like I am a step behind and wonder why it took me so long to think of something or find it.

    As for q being shy, it was a moment if frustration actually.  He could not remember how to write it, or even tell me how, even though we had been going over and over it. As I was thinking my brain says, “doesn’t he see it is like a g, only with a backwards tail?  Hmm. Backwards people areusually shy.” So I started talking without really thinking, and told him a story.  As it grew I realized I could work spelling/reading into there also by adding u.

    One recommended method for reading is to create pictures with the words and stories.  It helps it stick on the right side of the brain and go to the left.  I’m not on my home computer and the name of this escapes me at the moment. Sorry.

    As for having g the right song or thing to teach, iworry too, but finally realized this stuff would need to be known at some point.  If it is too early, well, there are worse things in life.  We can fill in gaps later.

    Keep looking and asking, that is something I wish I did or even knew if others to ask from. Keep searching and don’t give up.  Since each kid is different and progresses differently what others do or deal with may not be where you are.  Learn and adapt to your needs or ignore when necessary.  You are doing great just by looking for ideas.

     

     

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