12yos takes forever to do school…

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  • Hisacorn
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    I have homeschooled for 20 years. I am now on my last child, a 12 yos. He is a great person, but he hates school. This year has been really challenging. For instance, today he has worked from 9:30am until 2:30pm and has only completed Bible and Math. i.am.going.out.of.my.mind…
    I want very much to be more CM. Right now we are using Rod and Staff for English {which I’m very happy with}, Saxon for Math, and reading for the other subjects. Oh, and Bible is Balancing the Sword. I am really trying to balance the thought of school being learning all the time and getting it done. I cannot get anything done when he is doing school and frankly, I need to have a time limit on school. I have other kids, even though they are adults, that need my time at times, my mom has alzheimer’s and even though she is in assisted living, I still care for her, and a home to care for…let alone I need to be taking better care of myself. My son keeps getting distracted, and it doesn’t seem to matter if he is at the kitchen table {which is more in the middle of things} or the dining room table {which is pretty closed off}. I’m at the end of my rope and need some ideas here.
    Thanks!

    Melanie32
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    Hi there! Those are some time intensive programs your son is using. If it were me, I would only require the odd or even problems to be completed for Saxon, drop Rod & Staff for something less time consuming and go with something more relaxed for Bible.

    At 12, my kids are doing a simple grammar program for a short amount of time 3 days a week, 1 written narration a week, copywork 3 days a week with dictation on the 4th day and 30 minutes a day reading from a classic book for language arts. That might sound like a lot but it only takes 10 minutes a day for copywork (plus we don’t do copywork or dictation on the same day we do written narration), 30 minutes once  a week for written narrations, 15 minutes 3 times a week for grammar and the daily reading time of 30 minutes as well.

    We do math for 30 minutes a day at that age.

    Bible is a family deal and we either work slowly through a Bible study or simply read a chapter each day together and narrate. We also sing a hymn each day and use the Simply Charlotte Mason scripture memory system each day. All together this takes 30 minutes each day.

    All 3 of those subjects together are averaging at about 1 1/2 hours a day.

    Charlotte Mason focused on time spend on each subject instead of work completed. There are a couple of great posts on the Afterthoughts blog about scheduling for peace ala CM style. I highly recommend them.

     

    Tristan
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    I have a lot of thoughts on this one!  Bear with me, okay?

    First, know that you aren’t alone and more than likely your son isn’t doing this on purpose, or at least not totally.  I have one daughter so far (9 kids but oldest is only 14, so not all school age yet) who falls to this extreme.  There are some things we’ve found that work well, and some desperation measures that we also have had to use sometimes.  I’ll detail those next.

    A few things that have helped at various times:

    – Give a checklist.  They see and can mark off each item that must be done that day.  They know how much is left to do.  They know what needs done and it frees you up to do what you need to do while they work.

    – Isolate in a non-distracting space and require them to stay there until work is done.  Add white noise or noise cancelling headphones if noises distract.  Shut curtains so they can’t see outside (visual distractions).

    – Be sure you aren’t handing them busy work – if it isn’t important, don’t waste their time on it.

    – Read up on executive functioning skills, this is probably an area he needs strengthened.  Smart, but Scattered is an excellent book for this.

    – Desperation move: once you know the amount of work you are asking them to do is reasonable and you’ve made as many helps for them as is reasonable then walk away.  They sit and work however fast or slow they want, but let them know that until X, Y, Z is complete they don’t get to eat lunch (or dinner, whichever).  Now, this is important – you have to know what you are asking is reasonable for this child, if not too easy.  Because part of this is probably bad habits at this stage too.  So you want to work on supporting and on leaving him to do his own work and face the consequences for goofing off when that is the case.

    So, for this particular desperation move, be sure you ask ridiculously easy – half the math page – for example.  And stick to the consequence.

    For my particularly distractible child it took a mix of all these before we broke her bad habit of dawdling that was combining with her distractibility.  Once the dawdling habit was broken we were just focusing on helping her with skills and the right environment to overcome her distractibility and poor executive functioning skills.

    Hisacorn
    Participant

    Thank you both for your thoughts/suggestions!

    For Saxon Math, he does a timed test, the lesson and lesson practice and then only 10 mixed practice problems. So that is already cut shorter…
    As for Rod and Staff, he reads the lesson and then assign from the written work; if there is a worksheet, that is the written work he does.
    So I think those are pretty reasonable adjustments.

    I think Bible needs to change, but we do enjoy it. We read the chapter, answer the 3-5 questions {which are factual, not appication}, and then I read from Through the Bible by James V. McGee about that chapter. It does take awhile, but we do learn from it. Any {more} thoughts about this in particular?

    I will look up the executive functioning skills; I have never heard of them! I guess I just have this vision of CM being all warm and snuggly…and to be honest, I want that! I know it’s gonna be a bit different with a 12 yob, but I do want some of that if possible.

    I have started the notebook assignment method, and I need to be more faithful to that. It does help both him and me. {It’s a spiral notebook that I write his assignments in daily and he checks them off as they are completed.}

    Thank you again for all your suggestions! 🙂
    Beth

    Tristan
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    For the warm and snuggly – what about starting your school time off with together things like reading a chapter from a great story, looking at art, listening to a piece of classical music together, baking together, etc?  It could be anything, just have that touch point to start your day.  Or have that touch point right after lunch to reconnect mid-day.

    Melanie32
    Participant

    http://afterthoughtsblog.net/2014/06/secrets-from-charlotte-mason-on.html

    Here’s the link for the scheduling for peace blog post I mentioned.

    And here’s the link for the 2nd post on the same topic:

    http://afterthoughtsblog.net/2015/11/scheduling-for-peace-revisited.html

    Enjoy! 🙂

    Melanie32
    Participant

    Well, I tried to post the links anyhow! They looked fine until I hit submit.

    Google Afterthoughts blog, Scheduling for peace and the blog posts should pop up.

    Wonderful posts from a CM mom. 🙂

    Melanie32
    Participant

    I also replied to your questions but it seems my post is caught in the spam trap.

    Melanie32
    Participant

    You could always continue your Bible program and devotional readings but you could break them down into shorter lessons. We do this with so many programs. A large part of a CM curriculum is to keep the lessons short.

    Children are more likely to dawdle when they know the lessons are going to stretch out indefinitely. A set time can often help to keep them on track. Keeping to Charlotte Mason’s idea of short lessons has kept my children from becoming dawdlers.

    I keep our religious readings down to a 30 minute time slot each day. If I want to go through a devotional book or religious book that doesn’t fit in that time slot, I will fit it into some other curriculum time slot. We might read that book once a week as part of our read alouds or during my daughter’s reading time.

    It’s so hard because there are so many things we want to teach our children! So many books to read! So many gaps to fill! However, the reality is that we just can’t do it all so we are going to have to narrow down the choices and that means eliminating a lot of really great programs and books from the schedule. However, this does force us to really think about what is best for our families and what is most important for each of our children.

    Yes! Keep those warm and snuggly times! We have daily read aloud time in our house and that was continued all the way up until my son’s graduation. 🙂

     

    Melissa
    Participant

    Tristan, I like your suggestions! Thanks for the tip on the Smart but Scattered–going to check that out for my 11yo son. We just started focusing on the habit of attention today. Ay yae yae

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