Where to go now?

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  • Michelle
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    I’m currently teaching my DD 8 and DS 6. My daughter is currently reading More Busy Times and my son is reading Busy Times. Our daily reading lesson is simply reading through a chapter, sometimes less depending on the length.

    Earlier this year we worked on RLTL and ELTL. We learned all the phonograms, or are at least exposed to all of them. The use of ELTL and RLTL became too tedious. Also, after the Grace to Build Retreat, I realized I had drifted off the path and wasn’t “trusting the process.” After coming home, we regrouped and have went back to basic copywork and they’re just reading to me. (Language arts wise.)

    I wonder if I should also be doing some sort of daily reading lesson. My 8 year old seems to not be moving forward in fluency very much. She also tends to skip or swap “the” and “a”. Today she kept reading the word “plan” as “play” even after being corrected. And “one” as “on”. She often will jumble her letters and has difficulty decoding larger words. She’s still writing some of her numbers backwards.

    I’m a total believer and understand each child should be able to read in his or her own time. However, my sweet husband is their Sunday School teacher and is concerned about them not being as strong in reading as their peers. (Everyone homeschools and NONE are follow CM.)

    I’m feeling this pressure AND have a soon to be 5 year old starting K next year.

    Any suggestions?

    Michelle
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    (Excuse my typos. I’m on my phone and my three year old was “helping” me.) 😉

    Tristan
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    First question – have you had vision checked?  It’s always an important part of the process!  Beyond that, I find that daily practice is good, but I keep it short, no more than 5-10 minutes.

    Michelle
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    She has had an eye exam. It was almost a year ago. I will probably do another at the year mark.

    Thank you. Reading practice is where I thought we should be. We set a timer sometimes and sometimes we pick x number of pages to read.

    We’ll keep practicing!

    retrofam
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    I see the options as practice reading,  revisit parts of  the last reading program,  or start another one.

    We are using Abecedarian, abcdrp.com.  I think I would start with practice for a bit, and then add parts of a program later.

     

    Wings2fly
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    Daily practice is key, no matter the length.  I used to make up notecards for flashcards before they read and would write words they had trouble with.  I also looked ahead in the reading a day or week before to make cards for new words I thought they may have trouble with.  I think that really helped them and it did not take too long.

    Also, we used Explode the Code workbooks to help them focus more on parts of words.  They seem to be categorized by word families.  My kids did two pages per day, and it takes about 10 minutes or less.  The words are part of a sentence or have a picture to give context to the words.  They learned some new vocabulary here too.

    Karen
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    Have you screened for dyslexia? One marker of dyslexia is skipping the “little words” like a, an, the.

    Another marker is reading words incorrectly that look like other words: play, plan.  Or house, horse.

    Is her spelling bad? 8yo or 9yo is about when a dyslexic can no longer “mask” her trouble with reading and spelling  (not that she is purposefully doing that – young dyslexics have no idea that their brains are organized differently than anyone else’s.)

    Lots of info at Barton Reading and Spelling and at Susan Barton’s other site, Bright Solutions for Dyslexia.

    Even if you don’t think your dd is dyslexic, read the info. There is so much good, encouraging information on those two sites.

    Michelle
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    Thank you. I suspect dyslexia, but have no clue how to start. Thank you for the links.

    Monica
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    With my kids, I didn’t find it uncommon for them to skip the articles or prepositions in their daily readings.  I think their mind just skips to the next “hard” word.

    In my experience, there is no substitute for daily practice.  I still have my 10YO read aloud to me for 5-10 minutes each day, and the progress he has made since last year at this time is amazing.  My 7YO and 6YO practice with me daily, as well.

    In fact, I regret that I didn’t have my 14YO, who has always been a strong reader, read aloud to me more often in the earlier years.  Once he was fluent I let him go on his own.  Now I don’t have a handle on what he struggles with or what he may still need help with.

    Michelle
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    I’ve been thinking about this a bit. Dyslexia testing is entirely too expensive to consider. One of her “symptoms” is poor spelling, BUT we haven’t focused a lot on spelling. We planned on starting SW next year, grade 3. Should she be spelling well even though I haven’t formally taught spelling?

    I really feel like a program like All About Spelling may help her development that phonological awareness. That’s where she struggles with new words. I really, really want to use SW and ULW next year. Since she struggles with reading, I wonder if using both would be too much or just what she needs. Lessons are short for both and two different teaching methods.

    Since this kind of got OT, I think I’ll start a new thread.

    psreitmom
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    My daughter has dyslexia and does the same things you mentioned. So, I would not rule that out. You don’t need to have some expensive test done. If she shows those symptoms, then read up on it and look for a program that is geared for kids with dyslexia. From experience, I personally don’t feel you need an expensive program like Barton. We used it for a while and it helped, but when it just got into a bunch of spelling rules, it didn’t work anymore. Because of exceptions to rules, it was too confusing for my daughter. Just having to remember all the rules was frustrating her. We used Phonics Pathways for a while, but when her reading improved to where I could have her practice in books like Abeka Readers or easy chapter books, I stopped PP. My daughter has good phonemic awareness, which is unusual for dyslexics, so she can decode  pretty well, and that made a big difference. Many use All About Spelling for their dyslexic children. My daughter is in 6th grade and I still have her practice reading to me. But, she is doing some fun reading independently. I had her to a neuro-psychologist a few months ago for testing, not simply for dyslexia, but she has some other language issues and difficulties in math. But, I did mention to him that she will say ‘a’ for ‘the’ and ‘the’ for ‘a’ quite often. He said to let them go. Getting too picky about little words like that will just cause frustrations. I was stopping her for every little word. But, saying ‘play’ for ‘plan’, I would stop my daughter and have her take time to look at all the letters. Then she would get it right. Dyslexics will read by shape or by context. They see the first letter or two and then guess at the word. I agree that a lot of reading practice is needed, but if there is dyslexia, you may need a program like AAS until she is able to decode well. Just my opinion.

     

    My daughter struggles with reading in Sunday School as well. The teacher has each of the kids read some verses. She would prefer not doing it, but I told her just to do her best. I know she does not read as well as the others, but trying to push her to read like the others would just make things worse. I used to worry about her not being on the same level academically as her peers, but as one poster said on another thread, this is where she is. You just work with the child where he/she is and let them progress at their own speed and not worry about anyone else. As long as the other children in Sunday School are sensitive and not making fun, I wouldn’t worry about it.

    Michelle
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    psreitmom, Thank you for such a thoughtful answer. Everything you said makes so much sense. I’ll take some time to think over it.

    It encourages me to think I can help her without all the expense. AAS is very doable for us. We are doing level 1 and it is easy for her right now. The only problem we have is being from the south! Distinguishing between the short sounds for a, e, and i. She has a slight speech problem. She has difficulty with /r/.

     

    Again, thanks for the response.

    sarah2106
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    “R” is a very tricky sound. My ODS has been in apeech therapy for 18 months (so close to graduating) for “s” “th” “l” and “r” and according to his speech path. “R” is one of the toughest sounds to learn because that one letter makes so many different sounds depending on what letters it is paired with. My son has improved so much! If you are concerned you might want to seek outside help. Talking to his speech therapists “r” is a sound that is not “grown out of” some kids do but since it takes a bit (or a lot) of “retraining the brain” on how to form the sound it is tricky. My ODS ‘s speech therapist had trouble with “r” when she was young too.

    Oh and speech struggles can also effect reading and spelling because they are hearing the word incorrectly so spelling or reading it can be difficult. If my son heard the word red but when he said it, it sounded like “wed” he would spell it that way.

    It is very fascinating how things are all tied together. We also found my ODS had low muscle tone in his jaw which not only effected speech but also eating, why he was such a difficult eater. I fealt like a lot of “light bulb” moments over the past 18 months 🙂

    Sorry that got so long *blush* just things I wish I had been told or even mentioned years prior

    psreitmom
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    Michelle – I am from Pennsylvania, so I have no way of helping you with the ‘r’ 🙂 But, I’m glad some things I said helped. If you are using AAS, I would just stick with that. There are some things we used that I now look back on and wish we would have stuck with it, just for consistency. But, that was before I knew what I know now. But, in all our jumping around, I am so happy with the progress my daughter has made in her reading. I am no expert, but I have been aggressively dealing with these things for more than three years. I just learned along the way. I kept searching for help until I found it. So, if you need help, keep searching and keep asking.

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