My kids feel like they get no free time? I can see it to some point and then I can’t. I will give you an example of my day. Kids wake, do chores, eat, clean up. We do school. When they are done they have to me free time till lunch if they have any. They have sit/quiet/nap time from 1-3 and then they have free time till dinner. After dinner we do devotions and then each night has a specific theme to help us stay out of lump.
Now I will say there of course times we have to leave, I need someone to get the dogs in, check the chickens (heater keeps tripping circuit), change a load of laundry, empty the garbage, but 2 yr old on toliet, et.c I mean we are a family of 9. There is always something to do.
I think they are being selfish. I remember (private schooled here) that I had very little free time M-F and only really sat and sun did I have “free-time” and even at that it was up to my mom. So is it a habit (whining) thing, a selfish thing or do we just need to stop expecting so much?
What are your thoughts? How much “free-time” do your kids have? Thansk MIsty
Sounds like a lot of free time to me:) Can they do things they enjoy during the quiet time?
I have less kids (two, 11 and 8 yrs.) We are late risers, and school from around 9:30-2 with a lunch break. I haven’t been good about scheduling handicrafts, etc. during the afternoons—-they mostly play until around 4:30 when the neighbor kids get home. They’ll do piano practice and sometime exercise during this time, we’ll go outside when it’s nice. I would like to have a more consistent quiet time in the afternoons—just haven’t done it.
I think I may have read it here recently that when kids were complaining about school the mom would say ‘we’re having a school day like p.s.’ and wake them early, work all day, have homework—you get the picture! I’m saving that idea—my kids would be begging for homeschool after that:) Hope you get it figured out! Gina
We are re-working our routines/schedule right now, but here’s what we basically do: Rise and shine around 7am, breakfast, chores, school starts between 8:30 & 9am and break at around 12pm for lunch. Quiet time is daily from 1-2pm, no exceptions (well, rarely exceptions… LOL). After that, if there is still schoolwork to be done, we do it, and then it’s free time until about 5pm, when they finish any remaining chores (including picking up before Daddy gets home). Supper is at around 6pm, and after that they get free time until their bedtime routine (I try for 7:30pm so they can be “sleeping” at 8pm, but I rarely get around to it until 8pm…. I may as well just face that fact, huh? 😛
BTW, we schedule handicrafts, art, and guitar lessons (for my oldest) during the schoolwork time in the mornings. Even with 3 kids who need my help for nearly everything, we get it all done usually in about 3 – 3 1/2 hours.
Another aside: I don’t know if you saw the post about chores recently, but in it, Doug had mentioned something about popsicle stick chores. I made those, and this week has gone much smoother with chores. They can do their chores whenever they want (usually during their chore times), as long as it’s done before dinner at 6pm.
Sometimes my kids say they don’t have enough free time, as well, but I think it’s more about whining that they don’t want to do anything other than play (which us adults have a hard time saying no to, as well).
Gina – Quiet time for the older ones is a min. of 30 minutes of reading a literature book (boys ..don’t like to read) and then if they earned it the day before (by being quiet, staying in there area, etc) they can bring a quiet item to play with. This might be there legos, whittling, drawing etc.
I have also threatened a “PS” type school day! Maybe it’s time to pull that one out??
Sara – Your day sounds a lot like mine, times and all! Also, have to find that chore idea!
I never thought of doing a PS day. Have to keep that in mind if the complaining gets bad as it may down the road with some of mine.
I do, however, make sure to point out the priveledges they get that PS schools don’t. Anytime we drive by a PS school on our way to something fun, I say “Should I drop you off for school today?”. I make sure to point out when the kids are leaving for their bus in the morning and mine are all still in pj’s or when the bus comes thru in the evening and my kids have been done wiht school for a long time and are already enjoying free time. So far that has worked for us. They do occasionally complain about wanting more freetime but also seem to realize that PS will NOT make that better.
To my children, free time is doing what they want without interruption. So, let’s say I declare 20 minutes of free time but then I interrupt them for 2 or 3 things that might only take a few seconds each. To them they didn’t get a fair deal on free time because I asked them to do stuff.
I also find that our school days are much smoother if they get that well needed free time. Our schedule is kinda like this:
Up, dress, breakfast
chores
free time (20-30 min depending on how long chores took)
School, lunch, finish school if needed
tidy up
break
outside time
Help with dinner (set table, put food away after dinner)
Game time with Daddy (this is their special time)
Story time
Free time
Bedtime
Mind you, we’re a two child home at this point we don’t live on a farm and each child is responsible for own pets. Which are usually cared for in the morning. The dog is placed outside and if he barks to come in, tough luck buddy if we’re in the middle of stuffs. 😉 I don’t go for that “let me in let me out” non-stop stuffs all day. lol That said, we also don’t get SUPER cold weather or anything like that.
I can go into my schedule if you want; my husband is very disabled and I’ve had 2 neck surgeries in 2 years. So my children are extremely involved in the workings of the home, with many chores and spur of the moment help; there’s only the 4 of us, but we, too, have chickens, 3 German Shepard dogs and 2 cats and a garden.
I find that most of the time, when they complain, I mean actually grumble as opposed to expressing frustration; that tells me that they have had too much free time. I have noticed that the more “off” time or free time they have, the more grumbling and whining I hear. Whereas, when they express frustration with several days of doctor appts. and grocery store trips, then that’s different. They are generally happy when we are working together in the garden, working with the chickens, etc. There’s a sense of accomplishment and their playtime is more agreeable afterwards.
I say, if they’re grumbling, they’re being self-centered; not grateful for their free time and not recognizing thier duty to family and need to be more useful (or contributors) in the workings of the family. The PS thing is a “grass is greener on the other side”; they see friends/relatives “off” of PS at a certain hour or time period and they’re still working. They see PS children without chores and not contributing to the household and they too want that irresponsible lifestyle. This is you and your husband against the culture of laziness (or sloth as Benjamin Franklin said) and the self-esteem, child-centered movement style of parenting that exists now.
I wouldn’t worry too much about the PS desires; continue to address the reasons why you do what you do; I don’t think any amount of explaining will convince them. It’s about contentment in this area and trusting and believing in the parents and G-d’s calling for the family.
IMO, perhaps a little more hard labor and contributing to the family is in order when there is complaining or just a reworking of the wchedule to make the older ones be more helpful?
Hmm – I have not done a PS day – as both my kids have been in publics school in the past, but I have drawn up a chart comparing what we do during the hours of the day now, compared to what a public school day is like – very effective. Our school only gets one 15 min recess in 3rd – 5th grade. This is so shocking to my kids LOL. (See, when you are outside playing, school is still in. See when you are still sleeping, we would be up getting ready for school. See, when you are playing in the evenings, you would be doing homework.) It let them see how much free time they actually have. To us, free time is time that is not sceduled for lessons. We may be doing work together or playing – I really don’t schedule that. But I try to be respectful of their needs to have self-directed play, which takes time to develop, and their need for alone time, esp. my daughter, who seems to have greater requirements in this area. My littlest (7yo) is still tagging along at my heels most of the time, “free” or not.
I do this – we work with breaks until 1:00pm. If they have finished their schoolwork, for the day, then they have free time, like they can ask to play a video game ( which is not “free” for the whole rest of the day, it is limited time), or they go outside, or if they have a special project of their own they work on it. Before 1:00, if we take a 20 min break or something – they can spend that time playing, but cannot ask for video game or computer time.
Rachel, that is very insightful. As I read through your post, I could see that in my own children. Thank you for sharing what you have seen in your own family.
thanks everyone. I appreciate your comments. I agree Rachel that sometimes I think it’s to much free time. I should schedule more work so that when they really have free time they appreicate it more!
I enjoy the comments. My son was griping today when we had to leave for an errand (that he knew about beforehand!) because it was breaking into his free-time. I might just add that we did a very short homeschool session because of the errand….
I gave him a brief rundown of a PSers day. Then later, after I had picked up his adult sister (who has a son the same age as my son), I asked her to describe my grandson’s typical day. I think it was educational for him! (My grandson gets up at 5:30 to get ready, they have to take 2 buses – one to drop my granddaughter at daycare, and another to get to school, then has school (and mentioned how long it is), then bussing to get home, then about 30min to play, then homework, eating supper, helping clean, and maybe a little more time to play, then bed.
But then his sister mentioned that one of the kids in her son’s class had a friend come to school with him one day (a homeschooler.. lol) – and said that we could probably set it up with the teacher… so my son could sleep over at his sisters, and experience a day at school (I’d pick them up at school…) I am thinking this sounds like a fantastic fieldtrip! (I sure hope he doesn’t love it though… you never know.)
Okay, I’m going to be the odd-ball. Whining is never acceptable so I am not saying it is. However, your kids work hard and likely have a lot of resposibility. I know that because I have 8 kids and I it takes a lot of work to keep things going.
My kids love their free time, too – sometimes I just make sure they have a day, or several hours with NOTHING at all scheduled so they can just do whatever it is they’d like to do (no TV or computer). They LOVE it! They write, draw, do puzzles and play. My 11 year old will go outside and just play for hours – sometimes she “makes a set-up” and then brings her younger sibs out to play with her. Sometimes the “bigs” at 15 and 13 join right in. I’ll eventually make them a big sack lunch and yell out to them in the yard that their lunch is there and they grab it and continue to play.
We all need down-time sometimes…a time where we can just be free with our thoughts and not have to worry about free-time ending or the next resposiblity on the list. I think Charlotte would approve as well.
Maybe they are not being selfish, only you can judge, perhaps they just need a break. You might be surprised at how refreshed they will be and their willingness to get back down to business as usual.
Nice thoughts Robin, I like the idea of a FREE day for everyone maybe scheduling it once or 2 times a month. But after much prayer with my dh we do believe it’s a whining thing 1st that needs to be nipped in the butt.
the main issue right now is it is still cold, snowy and it seems like if they have free tiem then its’ bickering, fighting, I had it 1st’s and on and on. I can’t wait till spring when things get better! Thanks everyone for your responses. Misty
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