Electronically speaking, I don’t allow my kids to be plugged in very much. I want their brains and bodies to develop without a lot of artificial stimulation. I’m not saying there is not a need for computers, iPods, etc. I just simply think my kids don’t need it at young ages.
But, when is an appropriate time to start? My son is 13, and feels the desire to have more of the new devices that other kids have. I am afraid it would become his boredom buster. I would rather him use his down times for doing a creative endeavor rather than sink into the video abyss. For some of you more experienced moms with teens, what do you think? Am I making a mountain out of a molehill? Should I just let this go and allow more freedom? I am still considering a kindle for my son’s birthday, but I’m still uncomfortable with it, especially with the Internet so readily available on these devices!
My first thought is that you are not being unreasonable at all. As parents we must each decide what is appropriate for our own families. We don’t have teens yet, but as youth workers my husband and I have seen the devistation that electronic devices have had on many young lives. Because of this, we will not have any device in our home that does not have a monitoring program and filter. We even have data blocked on our non-smart phones so as not to receive any pics that are inappropriate. I have had to become very savvy at monitoring, because I want to protect my family. All that being said, you have to decide how much your family can handle. If something doesn’t feel right, don’t get it. We have an enemy that will stop at nothing to destroy! I don’t think you can be to cautious!!!
Besides a family computer, we do have a Kindle with Wifi only, and we are considering an Ipad in the future. The Ipad would not be used by dc unless they were in the same room. Still haven’t gotten a clear answer from anyone as to whether Kindle Fire and Ipads can be monitored and filtered with a program like Safe Eyes or Bsecure. Won’t be getting one unless we get an answer on that.
I totally agree with everything NJcountrygal said. Until my daughter was 18, she did not have internet in her bedroom. Turning 18 wasn’t a magic age… just that she needed it for doing college papers and we felt at that time that she knew right from wrong. She did have a computer before that, but we didn’t enable wifi on it. She never had a smartphone until she was 19 and bought it herself. I still would have loved to shelter her from all the garbage but at some point they have to start making their own decisions, right? As far as the other kids go, age 11 on down, we do have a two Kindles that the kids are allowed to freely use. We just keep the wifi off most of the time and have not shown them how to access it. You have to have some sort of code to connect to your wireless router. My husband knows the code and he doesn’t share it, so that’s easy. My kids do have computers in their rooms but we have very strict filtering software and they are only allowed one hour per day. All of my kids have a basic mp3 player, but nothing fancy. They would never be allowed to walk around a grocery store, etc. with their headphones on like many other kids I have seen.
I totally understand your son’s point of view. Many times I know that my kids have felt like the odd ones out because I they don’t have a DS like all of their friends. But then when we are with friends eating lunch of something, later my kids comment about how the friends don’t want to do anything but play their DS. So they do understand where we’re coming from and why we don’t buy those things. Maybe you could get him something but put strict boundaries into place. If he violates the boundaries even one time, then you take it away. As far as the Kindle goes, if you get him one, just don’t enable the wifi. He can still download books using a usb cord and a computer… more trouble, but maybe it’s worth it.
My husband has been very honest with me about what it’s like to be a teenaged boy. From the things he has said, I would say that you are definitely not being too careful. This is a HUGE issue that you can’t take lightly. Remember that once you let them take a step, it’s really hard to reel them back in. For years here we had a hard and fast policy that we would have one computer and it would always be in the living room where no one could have any secret goings-on with the computer. Now we have computers in the bedrooms. While we have really good and strict filtering software, I do have second thoughts about making that step.
Sorry this is so rambling and disjointed. Just trying to get my thoughts out in a rush before I have to leave.
There is always peer pressure, especially if your kids even just occasionally socialize with teenagers outside of your family values and such, but my children’s closest friends are mostly homeschooled, Christian children who are very respectful of what are family has chosen to do about cell phones, facebook, mp3 players, etc. They never bug my kids with “Oh, you should have a cell phone” or whatever. That makes policy-enforcement easier for me.
We have a Wii that was given to my kids last year by their dad, a Nintendo DS given this year to my 11yo daughter (again, from her dad), and also this Christmas, a Kindle Fire to my 14yo daughter (you guessed it–from her dad). The Wii was highly popular at first, so I just set up policies limiting play time, and we actually throw in a “Wii Wednesday” on occasion when we need extra motivation to complete schoolwork & chores (or do extra chores). They can earn Wii time and Wii games with Mom on that day. However, at this point, there are weeks that go by where maybe only one child plays it at all, and maybe only for a short time on one day.
The Nintendo belongs to my creative youngest girl, so she doesn’t spend hours and hours on it. I don’t even ask her to give it to me before bed so she won’t be tempted to play it at night or during the school day–because she never does that. The Kindle is another issue, and if I didn’t limit it greatly, my daughter would be on it constantly. I think that’s what she does on her weekends at her dad’s (where no electronics are limited….arrrgh!) Plus, he has a Wi-Fi connection, so she can surf the internet there as she pleases without anyone really seeing what she’s looking at. So, I take it from her at unexpected times and check the browsing history to see what she’s been viewing and to see what she’s downloading. I also have it registered to my Amazon account, and it sends me an email every time something is “purchased” (even if it is free). She knows this, and she wouldn’t dare order something on my credit card without asking….
Despite my carefulness, I would rather have her receive a Kindle version other than the Fire that does not have a web browser. It’s just putting temptation in her way, especially since the values lived out at her dad’s are very different from mine…..i.e., he has a live-in girlfriend. And he does not mind allowing the kids to watch PG-13 movies of all sorts.
However, one thing he has not yet offered to buy (nor have I encouraged) is a cell phone. I have always told my kids, “You don’t need a cell phone when you are a kid, unless you are old enough to drive and/or have a part-time job.” So, my kids do not expect to have one until they are 15 or older. My 14yo has mentioned it a few times, but rarely. Some of her friends have had them since they were about 12, but they don’t push her to get one. I think you have to know your child and what temptations they might fall prey to regarding this kind of stuff. But I would never put up with 10yo’s texting non-stop or posting pictures of themselves and friends all over facebook.
In my opinion, a Kindle is a valuable tool (if used appropriately) and a cell phone can foster safety for a teen who is driving or at a place of employment (especially at night). All of the other personal music and gaming gadgets are merely entertainment. Sure, it’s fun and refreshing to take a break to play an electronic game or to listen to music while engrossed in a project, but there are many ways to entertain oneself without the gadgets.
I forgot that I intended to add a link to my post. It’s a blog article entitled “Texting Makes U Stupid,” and it’s an interesting read, an opinion piece written by a college professor. He discusses the decline of reading books among teenagers. He also mentions a recent statistic on how many texts are sent and received by Americans between the ages of 13 and 17: 3,339 per month. That’s more than 100 texts per day!
Without going into great detail, our kids are unplugged also. I survived it growing up, so will they. We will walk them through it as they get older, and as the need arises, which I know it will.
We do have Sony e-readers – no internet connection on these!
My kids don’t have (we built our home and did this on purpose) phone jacks, or any cable jacks in the bedrooms. They don’t have cell phones, or any of there own computers or devises. They have 2 computers (very used and old missing lots of keys) they use the missing keys one for computer games which we only allow 20 min on saturdays and the other one is for typing. We have an old playstation 2 with about 3 games, (boys) so things like truck racing.
We are very unplugged. But its’ ok. Where I am most of the families we associate with don’t have much for there kids either!
Well, I guess I look at this a little differently than some other people. My husband grew up loving the newest technology, and his passion for that as a teen developed into him studying to become a computer programmer. He has an excellent job in a field that suits him.
My older son, who is 10, I can already tell is also very good with technology. His mind seems to grasp how it works. He is doing a computer programming course this year at his pace. He and my DH are going to work together this summer to build a computer. (Well, besides that, he does Teaching Textbooks for Math so our computer is a must-have).
He does have a computer in his room that does NOT have internet. He uses it strictly for Microsoft Office (Word, Excel, Powerpoint) and audio books. Occasionally if he has a sleepover he’s allowed to watch a movie in there with his brother and his friend.
My younger son is 6 and he is computer savvy. He learned his states and capitals on Sheppard Software, and he is teaching his sister, who is 4, numbers and letters on the same site.
My DH, being a tech-freak himself, also has some gaming systems. We use those sometimes, but not too often.
I think that technology is a valuable resource for homeschooling families. Our computer has a strong filtering software and is kept in a main room in our house. My sons both use my Kindle for reading from time to time, but I can’t think of any reason that they will need cell phones or tablets for a long time.
In our family, as long as the content is monitored and appropriate, and as long as the time-limits are reasonable and well-enforced, technology is a good thing!
We’ve always treated technology as a tool useful for life. So in the same way as we gave our children wood scraps, nails, and a hammer to experiment with, we made computers and technology available from an early age. (Well, computers came much earlier than hammers.) Both came with supervision and direction, of course.
We also tried to make opportunities available for our children to pursue their interests, such as digital photography, video production, writing and blogging, etc. Some of the skills they developed over the years have gone into this site and SCM products. They have also been used to bless others and are now the seeds of thier own careers.
Don’t automatically think that because a device has a screen that it has to be as mindless as a TV. There are so many useful technology tools that can be applied creatively for good and useful purposes.
Thanks to you all for your input. I think I could be more like you, jawgee, if I was more computer savvy. I am just not comfortable with technology for the most part and I’m not sure if I could handle and maintain safety on these devices. I do think a computer without internet would be fine though, mainly for typing skills and doing learning software. Thanks for that suggestion.
Thanks again for your advice ladies! This is not an easy decision for me.
Oh yes, I agree with you Doug. I know computers have a great purpose, I just wish I had more knowledge (or extra time to learn right now! )
I want my son to be good with computers and such, and I hope to find a safe way to let him explore as he learns about computers and other internet related gadgets.
This has been an awesome discussion. Good point, Doug, about not automatically assuming that anything electronic is mindless. My husband and I both love technology and are working on learning more about the latest technologies out there. We have young people in our church that help us fix computers and set up our sound system etc. Technology and a true knowledge of how it works is so useful in todays world. We always recommend to parents of computer savvy kids to know as much or more than your child at least about the internet. Making learning about the computer a family affair can greatly reduce the chance of your children getting involved in the wrong things. I don’t think most young people get online seeking the wrong things I just believe without guidance it is bound to find them.
One sad story, My husband and I were in Best Buy looking at Ipads because we are considering purchasing soon. As we were standing there, a woman walked up and began talking to the sales associate. She wanted to know which Ipad to get for her 13yr old son. The associate was trying to get a little info to help with his advice. The Woman said, “I don’t know how these work. I don’t know anything about computer stuff this is just what he wants for his Bday.” In the course of the conversation she also mentioned she was a single mom. The associate ended up selling her on the newest version 64GB. We left the store feeling really sad for the boy and his mother. We wished we could give advice, but of course that wasn’t our place.
We are a very “plugged in” family. My dh is a tech-freak and I use our laptop for everything (paying bills, searching sites, this forum, emails). I am also a part of a group that uses the web for all of it’s communication, so I have to be “plugged in” at all times. My dc have many different devices, but seem to understand their limits to them and turn them off/set them aside at the first chance to go outdoors/zoo/ice cream shop/library, whatever. Our oldest (13) has a cel phone because he is away from us for a class and I need him to be able to contact us when he needs to (plus he does go with friends/family and I prefer he has his own phone). He is very responsible and will give it up at any time there is an issue with no complaints (he usually says he completely understands). He also understands it’s not a toy and that any time mom or dad call, he must answer, or else. He’s also very adamant about me not using my phone while driving (I don’t anyway, but he always reminds me of the dangers).
My dc read alot, enjoy the outdoors, know we have limits, always ask before they get plugged in, and know there are things that are not for children on the web (and that there are real people out there, at the park, who would like nothing more than to kidnap them, not just on the web). They love their church family, enjoy playing music, shooting hoops, riding their bikes, camping, etc.
I realize that this life isn’t for everyone as everyone has completely different circumstances, but so far, with my dh’s help reinforcing our rules, it has been good. Plus, when your dh would like nothing more than to have every techy thing imaginable, and is pretty pc savvy, I can’t really blame my dc for wanting some of the same things. But, he is still so very involved in their lives (taking them outdoors all the time), that this extra aspect just gives them something else to enjoy together.
All that to say, it really doesn’t matter what we do or don’t do….you are the parents responsible for your dc.
I didn’t read all the above posts but thought I would chime in. If you feel uncomfortable with it then G-d is speaking to you and telling you that there will be a problem. Go with that gut feeling. The times I didn’t go with the gut feeling I regreted it. We do have a computer at home. My kids are not allowed on it unless they are studying Geography and I put it on for them. They do have a computer in their bedroom and I only let them put educational games on. That is the only thing that is suppose to come into our house. If I think they are using it to much I take the power cord away. IF they are not getting their other things done… I take the power cord away…. If they are fighting over who gets to play what… I take the power cord away. I take it away and don’t give it back until I can see things shape up.. Sometimes that maybe a few weeks. I don’t want them abusing the privilege but to be honest it probably would have been better if they never had it. However, they have learned quite a bit from some of the games that reinforced what I have been trying to teach them.
We are an in the middle kind of family. I have 4 kids, dd11, ds8, dd~5, ds2.
All but the 2 yo have ipod nanos for music and audiobooks. In our house we have 3 computers – 1 desktop in the schoolroom, my Macbook and hubby’s laptop. We also have 2 iPhones and 2 iPads which belong to the parents, but the kids get to use regularly. We have tv with cable, tivo and netflix.
The kids use their iPod nanos on a daily basis; the desktop for math, typing and a variety of pre-screened web pages and games; the iPads or iPhones for a variety of learning games; and we watch one family movie per week. Occasionally we will have a video/show related to our studies mid-week or the little ones may watch a Scholastic video mid-week.
All told the older kids get 30 minutes or less of screen time per day and none of that is TV. The family gets 2 hours or less of TV per week.
I suppose I fall into the Doug camp on this one. Technology is a tool, not to be feared, but used responsibly. We want our children to know how to use the technology around them for good. They are digital natives, tech will be a part of their lives and why not learn to work with it under the parent’s loving direction. Our family chooses to view this like a funnel – we start at the bottom and work our way up widening the freedom as they mature and become more responsible.