Teaching grammar without a workbook

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  • psreitmom
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    Does anyone teach grammar without a formal workbook? I have a struggling 11 yo. She has dyslexia and doesn’t read much independently, but she loves when I read to her. Could I teach grammar to her in that way, rather than doing a workbook? If so, can anyone who does this tell me how you do it? I wanted to start this year out without overwhelming her. I think this would be a gentle way of teaching for her, and at the same time get to read more books that I just can’t seem to find time for. Any thoughts?

    nebby
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    I think that’s a wonderful idea. Have you seen KISS grammar? It’s free online. I might use their teachers guide and follow their order but just point out things as they come up.

    Nebby

    http://www.lettersfromnebby.wordpress.com

    cdm2kk
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    I’m teaching mine without a workbook. I take a paragraph, usually copy work and I have them circle all the nouns. Then I have them go through each sentence and tell me what kind of noun. I have a little cheat sheet that shows different ones with examples.  I will do this until they have it down. then we move on to the next part of speech etc. It seems to be working great so far. My 3rd grader is a noun circling fool!! LOL  we are working on all the different kinds, but he is getting it for sure. It takes all of 5 minutes a day at most. Once we do move on to say verbs, he will still circle nouns and define the type. I am hoping by years end that he will be able to identify all parts of speech and the different types. This is certainly more gentle than the first language lessons we used last year and he isn’t groaning when I have him do it. HTH

    psreitmom
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    Because of my daughter’s reading problems, I’ve still been having her do some phonics. So, we’ve had a phonics workbook, a spelling workbook, a grammar workbook, and a cursive workbook. Too much. Right? The grammar and spelling lessons are short and she has been doing fine with those, but I actually could do all these subjects through reading more good books. I have never been comfortable with the idea of ‘doing my own thing’, but since I have had to make adjustments the past two years, as my daughter’s learning disability has become more apparent, it is looking more and more doable and I am more confident with the idea. I have been forced to be creative in how I teach her. I’m getting excited about the idea of reading more living books:) I think this plan will make our school days more enjoyable. It may require more preparation on my part. But, I think I am finally ready for the task. I’m not sure if I will start with all four subjects that I mentioned, but I’ve already told my dauhgter we were going to ditch the phonics book. So, that’s a start. Thanks for the replies.

    retrofam
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    I have several struggling learners, including one with dyslexia. I think a gentle approach to grammar at this age is a good idea. In my experience, informal grammar may be fine for the first few parts of speech, but seems to difficult to me for my strugglers. I like Simply Grammar to start and later either Winston Grammar or Stevenson Grammar.

    It is perfectly fine to introduce only a few parts of speech in a year and not move on until the child is ready. With one son I did this and it was amazing what a year or so of maturity did when we came back to it.

    For reading(dyslexia especially) I like Reading Reflex or Stevenson. ReadAmerica.net has Reading Reflex as well as a spelling program I will try later when my dd is older. If I don’t like it, we will return to Stevenson Spelling. Stevensonlearning.com is the address.

    My recommendations are not the most CM programs out there, just what worked for my strugglers. Feel free to ask more or PM me if needed.

    retrofam
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    Dyslexiagames.com sells a workbook set that looks good too.

    mrsmccardell
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    psreitmom, I found that the more creative I get with allowing the tools to fit my dd needs the more she learns. I know that may sound obvious but what it means is that you’ll start seeing so many more opportunities to use what you have more creatively now that you’ve given yourself permission!

    I hope that makes sense and encourages you!

    Wings2fly
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    cdm2kk, where can I get one of those cheat sheets at?

    psreitmom
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    retrofam – I have heard and maybe even checked out some of the resources you mentioned. We have been down the road with Barton Reading System, and that became monotonous. it was a help for a while, but then became more of a focus on spelling. That was very frustrating for my daughter, trying to remember spelling rules. She could read the words, just had trouble spelling them. I have been using Soaring With Spelling, along with Growing With Grammar. Those are short and simple lessons. After talking with my daughter this morning and really thinking over things, I have decided to continue the grammar, but change up on the spelling. The grammar does stay on one part of speech for a while, at least in the book she is doing now, just simple noun, pronoun, and verb lessons. I will check Stevenson spelling, but what I am thinking in my daughter’s case, if I have her doing copywork, she is learning to spell.

    Years ago, with my older girls, we did Learning Adventures. The author of LA said that the best way to learn spelling is by reading and writing. This lady has a degree in writing, if I remember correctly. Giving my daughter a list of words to memorize seems somewhat ineffective. I’m thinking if I focus on her reading and have her doing copywork, she will be learning to spell. Soaring With Spelling is good, but there are some areas that I don’t think fit with someone with dyslexia, like finding the list word in a string of letters. For example, sfirmn has the word firm in it. They have some small wordsearch and she is doing better at those, if there are not many letters, but that doesn’t seem to be the best for dyslexia. So, I am leaning toward doing spelling by having her write sentences, probably similar to dictation, but not worry about punctuation, other than capitals and ending marks. Since we met her at 2.5 years old (she’s adopted), she always loved to take paper and pencil and pretend she was writing, even just squiggles across the lines. She would fill up a sheet of paper doing that. So, she has done pretty well learning cursive. I began a couple of weeks ago having her work in an Abeka cursive writing skillbook. I have decided that is going too. I will just have her copy the Scripture passages we are working on, and not make cursive be a burden. She really enjoyed leaning it last year, but now it has become drudgery. I was having her do it every day, just because I wanted to take her through the book this year. But, cursive is not something she needs to do every day. I was overloading her with workbooks! So, I am down to one workbook. Grammar. Four was overkill!

    mrsmccardell – It is a good feeling being able to give my daughter what she needs in a way that is outside the box. One thing that did help was when the principal of the ps who looks at our hs work each year said just a couple of months ago that I could teach her however I wanted to. Coming from someone in the ps system, that was huge for me. It was freeing. I wish I would have known all these things when I homeschooled my older three. I have never been very creative, but this has helped to instill a little creativity in me:) I was a little overwhelmed this morning when I really started thinking about how I was going to accomplish these things without workbooks or a guide. But, I am determined to do it. I have finally gotten the math restructured (without workbooks). Now the language. Thanks for your encouragement.

     

    psreitmom
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    cdm2kk – I also would like to know where you get a ‘cheat sheet’.

    retrofam
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    Sounds like you have a good plan:)

    I don’t like traditional spelling programs, so my suggestions are different from most.

    If spelling is still a problem later, Stevenson Spelling should help. Copying the pieces of words onto their spelling strips, along with their memory tricks helped my son a lot, or Read America’s program is an option. We did Stevenson for 3 years and then moved to putting the words he missed in his assignments in a personal dictionary with part of speech and sample sentence. A few times a year he would study his personal dictionary, and I picked a few words for a test.

    After that, we moved to guided dictation. For that we started with Spelling Wisdom and now use a Bible passage from our daily reading instead.

    andream
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    Cdm2kk, I love the way you described how you do grammar informally, that seems very easy to incorporate into what we are already doing. I’d love to see your cheat sheet, too please.

    psreitmom
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    retrofam – Thanks for the spelling ideas. i will keep Stevenson in mind. It does sound like a good way to teach spelling. I want to try it without a guide and see how that works before I purchase anything else.

    Nagada
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    Another one who would LOVE the cheat sheet! 🙂

    cdm2kk
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    I am so sorry for the delay… We started school and I am a bit distracted with our new schedule of following my husband’s shift work. 

     

    The cheat sheet I have came with the curriculum Writing with history… here is a link http://brookdalehouse.com/homeschool-writing-curriculum/

    they have a free ebook for this weekend…. http://brookdalehouse.com/product/proofreading-checklist/

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