Spelling Wisdom Question

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  • Stephanie
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    My son (7th grade this fall) is struggling with the Spelling Wisdom dictation.  Maybe I am too strict.  We just finished our second year of using Spelling Wisdom and we are still in Book 1.  He does pretty well on spelling the words correctly, but the punctuation is what really gets him down.  Does the punctuation have to be perfect to move on?  I don’t want to  move on without it being perfect, but we get so bogged down and he is disliking spelling more and more.  I don’t want him to dislike it, but I really feel like he could do much better if he put his mind to it.  I just don’t know how to handle this.  He would enjoy just a spelling list each week, but I really like the dictation and I KNOW in the long run it is a better way to go.  Any suggestions?  Thanks so much.  I would like to have a plan before we start up again this fall.

    Wings2fly
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    My son will be in 6th grade this fall and we will be starting at lesson 95 in book 1 then.  Has your son always been homeschooled?  Always done copywork?  The copywork can help with punctuation.  When he does miss something, I just correct it by grading it and I let him know about it and we move on.  You will see all the various punctuations again in other passages.  If a word is missed, I carry it to the next exercise to practice as a “spelling word”.

    Here is how we did SW, starting in grade 4: We did only one passage per week.  Day 1 we talked about grammar in it.  Capitalizations, punctuations, vocabulary, meaning of passage, etc.  He picked out several words to work on spelling correctly.  He used a notebook to copy the whole passage word for word (transcription) on the left side of a 2-page spread, with correct capitalization and punctuation.  Halfway down the page I wrote the spelling words he picked to work on more and he wrote those three times each.  Day 2 he pulled it out to study it over.  Day 3 he studied it again and then gave me the Spelling Wisdom book to dictate from.  He folded is notebook back and wrote on the right side of the 2-page spread.  He did well with this and he really liked the passages.  We got through about 25 of these at the last half of grade 4.

    For grade 5, he did not have the day 2 review in between and we did 2 passages per week.  Day 1, we discuss grammar, punctuation, meaning, and words to work on spelling correctly by writing three times each.  Spelling practice can be done by saying the letters aloud (audio learners), using letter tiles, writing it in sand, rice, shaving cream (tactile learners), and/or writing them on the paper or chalk/dry erase board (visual learners).  He did copywork transcription for the whole passage.

    Day 2, he studied it and then he wrote from my dictation.  Then I graded it.  He usually gets the spelling correct and if I used the sticky note as he is writing, it messes him up.  He really does not look back at the word once he has written it.  So for us, grading it at the end works best.

    He sometimes misses some punctuation like a missed comma.  But comma placement can really vary from one writer to another.  Some tend to use more commas and some use less.  Of course we need to always use them when listing items or between city and state or to join two sentences together with a conjunction, but they can vary beyond that so I don’t make a big deal about it.   Or maybe a missed quotation mark or apostrophe.  We just talk about it and move on.

    Next year for grade 6, we plan to do 2 – 3 passages per week and only spend one day on a passage, studying it and discussing it before the dictation, but no copywork.  I will see how that goes, but we may go back to spending 2 days per passage.

    So that is our experience with it.  I hope you may find something to work for you.

    Stephanie
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    We have home schooled for three years but only two years using CM.  Your method is what I envision, and we did basically the same thing, but taking a whole week for each lesson and still he would have so many mistakes (mostly punctuation).  How do you score it and what if it is an unacceptable grade?  Thank you so much for taking time to respond.

    andream
    Participant

    I should have done it like that last year. We both got discouraged because I wasn’t letting her move on until it was perfect, spelling, capitilization and punctuation. I think we only completed the first 15 excercises in one year because of that. Sounds like you’ve found a good way to use it, wings to fly.

    Wings2fly
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    Really I am much more concerned with the spelling than with the punctuation.  Sometimes you have to just learn from your mistakes and go on.  If you are using something else for Language Arts for Grammar, I think punctuation and capitalization should be covered at some point in that.  It may be that he needs to know the rules for punctuation and that can be learned in another program.  But if he spells everything correctly, point out the punctuation and hope it all comes together for him at some point.  It may also be that he does not see the importance in it at this time and does not pay so much attention to it.  This does not mean he is not learning from his mistakes though.

    There are many added benefits to using a dictation passage for spelling: grammar and punctuation are some of those, also growing in attention and seeing the words in context.  But this is Spelling Wisdom, not Punctuation Wisdom.  Focus on correct spelling; the other benefits are a bonus that will come in due time.  That is my take on it, anyhow.

    I do not keep a grade book.  I circle the mistakes and mark at the top -3 and circle it.  Then he looks it over to see what he got wrong and why.  If there are no mistakes, I draw a star.  They want to get a star, of course.  I think you could also have them correct those mistakes you circled, using an eraser or white-out.  Then move on to the next passage because they will see all the grammar and punctuation again in other passages.  You can use the index to find other passages to test specific words missed, too.  Or you can find your own passage in a book you are reading.  I carry missed spellings over to the next passage’s spelling words to practice on more.  But I don’t think you are having a problem with this.  I think it is great that he is spelling correctly!  (My daughter has horrible spelling – using Sequential Spelling with her for now, age 8.)

    You say you spent a week on one passage.  What exactly did you do each day of the week on it?  If you spend 5 days working on one passage, I would think it would get old and uninteresting.

    Wings2fly
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    Also, when reading the passage aloud for dictation, I try to pause where the commas are as a natural break.  This is a clue to the writer for a comma placement.  What types of punctuation is he having the most problems with?  Would how you say it help him?

    Melanie32
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    We don’t use Spelling Wisdom but I can share how we do copy work and dictation in our house. My daughter reads and copies the text Mon-Thurs. During this time she studies any words that she finds difficult. On Friday, I we use the same passage for dictation. I read through it very slowly (as Sonya demonstrates) as she is writing it and then I reread it in full so that she can hear the pauses for punctuation (also per Sonya’s advice). Then I hand her the paper and let her check it herself. Afterwards, I read over it just to make sure that she didn’t miss anything. She rarely misses anything but we move on to a different passage the next week regardless. My goal isn’t for her to learn to spell every word perfectly-I want her to get used to paying attention to how words are spelled, to good writing and grammar skills. It’s a far reaching goal that will take years to come to complete fruition and I’m good with that. 🙂 My daughter’s spelling has improved dramatically since we have started being consistent with dictation.

    I agree with Wings2fly concerning the punctuation. It doesn’t have to be perfect every time. His grammar skills will grow through the years as he continues to study and copy great selections of literature and speeches. How wonderful that he is doing so well with his spelling!

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