SOTW for SCM Modules 1-3?

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  • dlwsharpe
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    I am looking at the SCM modules for my girls in 7-12 grades, starting at the beginning in module 1. “Oxford First Ancient History” is OOP and is usually expensive. I have searched the forums here and see it is sometimes available for a reasonable price as well as in three separate volumes.

    However, would SOTW Vol. 1 be a reasonable substitute? It covers the same time frame and with so many other great books scheduled, I am comfortable with using a book that might not be as “CM” as others.

    Thank you.

    Diana

    sheraz
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    Hi Diana,

    I do not have and have not seen the SOTW, but this link will tell you what is in the OFAH and maybe that will help you to know.  =)  http://simplycharlottemason.com/scmforum/topic/ancient-civilizationsoxford

    suzukimom
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    SOTW (by Hillyer) is great, and is recommended on a few CM websites…  so I’d say yes you can use it.  I haven’t used the SCM module guides, but I suspect that you would just look for simiar topics in it.    

    You can download a sample of the SCM module guides, which shows the lessons from several weeks, so you should be able to tell how easily you could substitute….

    dlwsharpe
    Participant

    Thank you for the quick replies! Sheraz, I had already seen that thread, but I have never read SOTW so was not sure I would be able to make a good comparison. I will look it over again, though.

    Suzukimom, SOTW is Story of the World by Susan Wise Bauer. I have CHotW (Child’s History of the World) by Hillyer, but would not have them read it again nor do I think it is appropriate for higher grade levels.

    Marcee
    Member

    We used part of SOTW1 this year. While I liked the book, my children did not (1st and 3rd). I think it’s was too dry for them which may be becuase of thier ages.

    houseofchaos
    Participant

    Diana, I’m not sure that SOTW would be challenging enough for your 7-12th graders.  We haven’t used them personally, though I have seen them.

    Have you considered Dorothy Mills books?  Memoria Press has reprinted a couple of them:

    http://www.memoriapress.com/descriptions/HistoryGuides.html

    I have the original versions, and I think they are great for the grades you are thinking of.

    Gaeleen

    I have not used SOTW by Bauer but have looked at it as a possible spine option, how would you all compare/contrast it to Hillyer?

    Also, Diana, although it looks to me like SOTW is not recommended for High School I did notice that Wise-Bauer has an additional series that is for HS and adult reading.

    http://www.welltrainedmind.com/store/the-history-of-the-ancient-world-from-the-earliest-accounts-to-the-fall-of-rome.html

    Not sure if that helps you or not…

    suzukimom
    Participant

    sorry, I got mixed up.

    Wings2fly
    Participant

    Have you checked into Diana Waring?  I don’t know how CM it is.  I have looked at it, but it is geared more for high school.  So, I have not tried it.  Also check out Unwrapping the Pharoahs.  We have that book and my husband and I really enjoy it.  I use it for the Biblical timeline of Ancient Egypt and my little kids like to look at the pictures in it.  All of us enjoyed the dvd that came with it, although it was not as good as Drive thru History (but, what is?).

    I have SOTW1 and have used some of the Egypt stories.  It is not a spine for us, but a supplement.  They may not be as detailed as what you need for high school.

    sheraz
    Participant

    If you are trying to make sure that the substitution is going to cover the same material as the Oxford First Ancient History (which is what I worry about with my substitutions), here is a list of all the chapters and subheadings listed in the book.  (Thanks, Linda)  I sat down and went thru Modules 1-3 and wrote down what lessons the book uses.  This should help you in some of the decisions.  =)  Or, at least help you find good substitutes for the topic that day!  Also, the chapters in Module 2 are read by your 7-9 grader independently.  HTH

    Here it is:

    **Here is what I posted about the book, it is all the headings and subheadings.  Hope it helps.  Linda

    Ok this is long, bt I have typed out all the parts, chapter and subheadings of the chapter of the book which I hope will bless some of you asking for this. Each chapter has subparts which are mostly 2 page spreads on each topic. The book has wonderful pictures and illustrations. Anyway, here is the book contents:

    *** PART 1: On the threshold of history        MODULE ONE – Genesis thru Deuteronomy  & Ancient Egypt

    Introduction – The Stone Age

    Chapter 1 – First Civilizations  

    The climate changes

    From food gathering to farming

    From hunting to stock farming

    Attraction of river valleys

    Irrigation and flood

    The rise of the leaders

    Chapter 2: Sumer

    The first settlers                    Lesson 9

    The useful date palm

    Nam-sha learns to read and write

    Clay Bricks and Buildings

    Gods and Heroes

    Houses and everyday life             Lesson 14/15

    Conquerors and kings

    Law Givers

    The royal tombs at Ur

    Babylon

    Science in Babylon

    Reading the wedge-shaped writing

    Chapter 3: Egypt

    Before the pyramids                               Lesson 20

    The Discovery of metal

    Building temples and pyramids                 Lesson 25

    The oldest ship in the world                    Lesson 45

    Cleopatra’s needle                                 Lesson 50                                  

    Mummies and tombs                              Lesson 55

    Akhenaten and religion                           Lesson 107

    Tutankhamen’s tomb                              Lesson 124

    The lost toy cupboard                             Lesson 129

    Everyday life                                         

    The disappearing queen                          Lesson 134

    Paper, ink, hieroglyphics                         Lesson 139

    Chapter 4: Other early civilizations

    The Indus valley

    China

    The Hittites

    The Hebrews

    The Assyrians

    The Persians

    The Phoenicians

    Chapter 5: Pre iron age Britain

    The first farmers

    Skara Brae

    Silbury, Avebury and Stonehenge

    Bronze age barrows

    The coming of the iron age

    ****PART 2: The Greeks                          MODULE  2 – Joshua-Malachi and Ancient Greece

    Note that if the lesson is listed by the actual chapter heading, the whole chapter is assigned as independent reading (with narrations) by 7-9 grade students

    Chapter 6: The Minoans                          Lesson 5

    The legend of the Minotaur

    Sir Arthur Evans

    The palace at Knossos

    Daily Life

    Religion

    Bull Leaping

    Michael Ventris and Linear ‘B’

    Atlantis

    Chapter 7: The Mycenaeans                     Lesson 10

    Homer

    The Trojan War

    Heinrich Schliemann

    Schliemann at Mycenae

    Chapter 8: Early Greeks                          Lesson 105,110

    Achaeans and Dorians

    The emergence of cities

    The early days of Athens

    Chapter 9: Greek civilization                  Lesson 115, 120

    How the cities were ruled

    Solon, Cleisthenes and Pericles

    Everyday Life

    Other members of the family

    Art and Pottery

    Ships and trade

    The Gods

    Chapter 10: The Persian Wars                 Lesson 125

    The Persian Empire

    Persian rulers

    The Battle of Marathon

    Thermophylae

    Salamis

    Chapter 11: Pericles and the Golden Age             Lesson 130, 135

    The wise men of Greece

    Slavery

    Clothes

    The Acropolis and its buildings

    Greek legends

    Music

    A day at the theatre

    The Oracles

    Chapter 12: Athletics and games                         Lesson 140

    Legend of Pelops

    Olympia

    The Olympic Games

    Other games and pastimes

    Chapter 13: The Peloponnesian wars                    Lesson 145

    Sparta

    Why the war started

    Soldiers and battles

    Athens is conquered

    Chapter 14: Alexander the Great                         Lesson 150, 155

    Early days

    The army

    Battles and sieges

    Persepolis

    Alexander’s last battle

    Death of a conqueror

    The empire is divided up

    Chapter 15: Greece conquered                            Lesson 160

    The Romans come to Greece

    Greece becomes a Roman province

    The Greek legacy

     

     

    **** PART 3: The Romans            MODULE 3 – Matthew-Acts, Ancient Rome

    These are not in order of the chapters.

    Chapter 16: Origins

    The legend of Aeneas

    The legend of Romulus and Remus

    The truth behind the legends

    The early kings

    Sabines and Romans

    The Etruscans

    Horatius and the bridge

    The Celts

    Chapter 17: Rome and her neighbours

    The Greeks

    Carthage

    A sea fight

    Hannibal and the Punic Wars

    Chapter 18: The City of Rome

    What Rome may have looked like

    Aqueducts                                 Lesson 69

    The baths                                  Lesson 149

    Temples

    Private houses and flats

    Shops

    Nero’s Golden House                              Lesson 144 

    Chapter 19: Republic and empire

    Why the kingdom ended

    The republic and its end

    The early emperors

    The empire expands

    The decline of the glory

    Chapter 20: Daily Life

    Pompeii

    Food and Drink                          Lesson 135

    Clothes                                     Lesson 70

    Education

    Time and the Calendar

    Painting, sculpture, drama and literature

    Earning a living

    Games and pastimes

    Chapter 21: The state and religion

    Government and the law

    Religion and legends

    Christianity

    Slavery

    Chapter 22: The arena

    The amphitheatre

    The Colosseum                          Lesson 149

    Gladiators                                  Lesson 109

    The Circus Maximus                    Lesson 19

    Chapter 23: The army                 Lesson 110

    The citizen soldier and the legion

    Uniform, weapons and tactics

    Siege engines                            Lesson 14

    Marching camps                         Lesson 115

    The officers       `                       Lesson 115

    Roman roads                             Lesson 70

    Chapter 24: Barbarians at the Gate

    Barbarians settle inside the frontiers

    Some provinces are abandoned

    Constantine, his town and the division of the empire

    dlwsharpe
    Participant

    Wow! Thank you so much, Sheraz and Linda! That ToC makes me want to read the book. 🙂

    I still have a lot to think about regarding next year’s history.

    Shawnab
    Participant

    Just a few comments, in regard to SOTW. I agree that it might be a little “light” for highschool. However, I have learned a lot of history by listening to the audio book version…and I’m well past highschool! LOL! Its a great history narrative. For greater depth though, I would check Memoria press and/or some of the selections recommended by Greenleaf.

    And one more comment on SOTW…all of us GREATLY prefer to enjoy this series on audio book, as read by Jim Weisse. In our opinion, it is just a much, much better experience than reading the text ourselves. Mr. Weiss has a gift and makes the stories come alive. 

    HTH!

    Shawna

    Des
    Participant

    I recommend you use Susan’s book “History of the Ancient World” for 7-12 graders.

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