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As I mentioned in another post, I just bought Emma Serl’s Intermediate Language Lessons in a workbook format for my 13 year old to use. However, I’m confused by some things.
In Lesson 3, there is a story called The Stone in the Road. At the end of the story it says:
Tell the story, from the following outline:
- The king
- The people
- The stone in the road
- The people who passed
- The miller’s boy
- The bag of gold
Read, in the last part of the story, what the king said.
With what kind of letter is the word I always written?Make a rule for this use of the capital letter.
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________________________________________________________First of all, what does it mean to tell a story from the following outline? Is this “narration” with a guide and they must include each of the six elements in their narration? I assume this would be done orally since there are no lines for writing under this part.
Next question is about “make a rule for the use of the capital letter I”. Huh? I have no idea what this means, and the amount of space given indicates it should be a long “rule”.
Sometimes I think my kids would be better off in public school with a real teacher – education-wise anyway. My husband said he’d rather our children be dumber than a box of rocks than go to public school and sometimes I get so frustrated at myself for not understanding things that I fear that might be the case. But then again I think I’m a product of the public school system so…. Anyway, can anyone help me here?
Rene’
No offense, but this is why the Teacher’s Guide from Lost Classics is worth the $12 and some change.http://www.amazon.com/Intermediate-Language-Lessons-Teachers-Guide/dp/1890623342/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1287677105&sr=8-1
In Lesson 3, Yes, it is oral narrating using these “talking points” as the outline.
Question- With what kind of letter is the word I always written? Oral or written-The word “I” is always written with a capital letter.
Question Make a rule for this use of the capital letter. The answer is “I” is always capitalized when used as a word”.
It’s just reinforcement of a particular rule. I personally will not have my son write this out-he’ll be doing ILL this year and this is one I’d have him just answer me directly.
HTH, Rachel
I just found this, would it suffice?
Let me get back with you as I peruse through them both…gotta finish the pear jam plus other things on my list.
Can you give me till this evening?Rachel
Wow, what good timing for me! I have just started this series with my soon to be 11 year old and was thinking the same thoughts you were Rene. I laughed at your dh remark, and it brought to mind some friends kids who have been through the public system and really are not much better off than a box of rocks where grammar and language arts are concerned. Keep plugging away, and thanks for the link. I also just downloaded Sonyas new Language Arts book and it is amazing! Just the encouragement, and the references to Charlotte Mason’s actual words are fantastic, then to have Sonyas ideas on how to make it work! I think it will be the perfect companion to the ILL workbook program.
Heidi
I suppose the best way for me to address this is to give you the version of the L.C. Guide that I have and you can compare. I can say off the bat, that the Hillside one isn’t as thorough and is more simplified, but here you go:
HIllside: Lesson 5 -Student writes a story using outline.
L.C. Guide: Lesson 5-#1. Read the story, “The Stone in the Road,” then make a similar story about a prince and a beautiful jewel. The prince places the jewel in a bucket far down in a deep well, then he dresses himself up as a poor old man and asks all who pass to drink water for him. #2-Make an outline of your story. #3-Tell the story from the outline. #4-Begin your story in this way: Once Upon a time, a prince…
Hillside: Lesson 6 #1. The fairy would reward poor women who worked hard at spinning by hiding a piece of gold. #2. If the person used money wisely, the fairy gave gold.
L.C. Guide: Lesson 6- there’s actually 8 questions. The #2 answer in HIllside is actuall ythe answer to #3 in L.C. There are many more questions about the other stanzas, the author’s identity (which you have the answer to) and asking the child the moral or teaching that the author was trying to teach. Another question asks for a telling of the ‘wise fairy’. Also, there’s an extended activity for creating one’s own art based on one of the stanzas.
Hillside:Lesson 7-Student writes story
L.C. GUide: Oral Composition-Frank and Mary Rogers each received two dollars for a Christmas present. Tell a story showing how one of the children spent the money foolishly and one wisely.
Hillside:(main differences are in these three question)Lesson 8- 1. sentence A – 3. sentence B- 5. sentence C
L.C. Guide: (first, it always gives you the sentences) Lesson 8- #1. Which of the Groups of words tells something? Note: A group of words that tells something is a statement.( Then it gives the answer A including the actual sentence.) #3. Which of the groups of words asks something? Note: A group of words that asks something is a question. (then procedes with the answer.) #5. Which of the groups of words makes a command? Note: A group of words that orders something is a command. Note: A group of words that tells, asks, or commands is a sentence. (Then the answer is given.)
Hillside:Lesson 9-Conversation about the painting
L.C. GUide: goes into detail for you on it’s name, how it was painted (in oil) and when by what artist. What it is about for you to know ( about homeless children in NY). Then you receive a website to go to for more info. on that particular piece.
Hilllside: In lesson 11, it appears as if there’s a combining (I assume as I can’t see what the workbook is telling the student to do for #4 regarding those words), as #5 in L.C. Guide instructs the child to copy the words from #4, seprate into syllables, place marks of pronunciation, and pronounce.
Lastly, HIllside:Lesson 12 -Write sentences
L.C. GUide: First, it gives you all the sentences copied for you.
#1. Study the sentences #2. Write a sentence containing the word me. #3 Write the sentence again, using him and me instead of me. #4. Write another sentence using the word me. #5. Write the sentence again, using you and me in place of me. #6. Write another sentence containing me. #7. Write the sentence again, using her and me in place of me. #8. Write a sentence containing the word us. #9. Write the sentence again, using them and us in place of us.
Now, I don’t know if most of this info. is in the e-book workbook, but this is what’s in the teacher’s guide and then some. The answers are thorough and there are extended activities if you want to use them. There are definitions and explanations of LA concepts that I only vaguely remember growing up learning, so I’m glad it’s all there for me. I hope this has helped clarify your decision on what is best for you to use.
Rachel
- Sometimes I think my kids would be better off in public school with a real teacher
Rene, you are a real teacher, because you know your kids so much better than someone who just met them in September. Public school teachers may be trained to instruct a group of 20 or so children, but you have been in training since their births to instruct them as unique individuals. Plus, there is such a wealth of information and assistance available for the asking on this and other forums, all from mom-teachers who understand and support your desire to educate your children well.
Personally, I am having a great time relearning all of the history, science, geography, and literature that I barely recall from my school days. After all, I, too, am a product of the public school system.
Sue
Sue, thank you so much for your encouragement. This forum has been such a help to me. I agree with you about enjoying relearning things I don’t remember from school. I found history so boring in high school, and I had no study skillls, that I failed it one year – I actually got a 2 on my end of the year exam! This is so embarrasing but when the movie The Patriot came out my dh and I went to see it at the theatre and just before it started I ask my husband “So who won the Revolutionary War anyway?” He just about died. After that scenario I started reading up on the RW and began to love history and now I can’t get enough of it!
Robin, thank you for going to so much trouble for me.
I don’t have the Hillside workbook, the one I purchased was from here: http://www.intermediatelanguagelessons.com/ and it appears to be exactly like Serl’s ILL you can get for free at google books but with lots of space for actual writing.With the exception of Lesson 9 where the L.C. guide gives detailed info about the artist and painting, all the other instructions you listed are actually in the workbook. You can view a 38 page sample that goes through Lesson 19 at the link I posted above. I’m sure the L.C. guide is much better and more detailed, but I think the Hillside guide will probably work for now.
Thank you again!
Good, I’m glad the other instructions are in the workbook; that’s what I didn’t know. I’m glad you have what you need.
You can either skip the picture study in the ILL if you’re doing Picture Study as a separate study, or have him narrate the illustrations without knowing the name of the artist (which can be done), you’ll still be developing those narration/observation/analization skills; which is the point. Whatever you want. G-d has given you a duty that you are capable of performing. Remember, you’re creating a love of learning so they will desire to pursue more; eventually surpassing you. The student should surpass the teacher. There’s no way on earth I can teach everything; but I can instill a Faith, a love of learning and a persevering character to cause them to learn more on their own to enrich their lives, fullfill their vocations and be ready for the challenges facing their future. I love relearning and learning beforehand and alongside my children, too. My mom instilled in me a love of beautiful (enriching) things, the significance and love of History and enjoyment of good literature, Praise G-d!
G-d has called you, too in His Word; those children were given to you by Him and He’s trusting you and equiping you. “All things are possible through Him…”
Rachel
Thank you Rachel, I needed to hear that. And I’m so sorry – I called you Robin. I meant to check when I wrote the name to make sure and then I forgot.
Hi Rene,
I saw your post and concern and wanted to chime in. I am Cynthia, the one who reformatted the ILL. Please don’t let the space confuse you. The reason for extra space is because my son writes big and tends to take up space. Don’t feel like it has to be a long answer.
My son wrote, ‘ always put a capital I if it is in the beginning of a sentence or alone. If it is in the middle of a word then it could be lowercase’
Now, the last part was unnecessary, but he took up all the lines and then some. LOL!
So basically, I put more because I am sure my son isn’t the only one who writes big or takes a lot of room. We are working on that by the way. He is 9.
Hope that clarifies it a bit.
Blessings,
Cynthia
Just wanted to say that I have tried to use ILL and PLL this year (our second time trying PLL) and there was just not enough instruction for ME as the teacher. So, please don’t feel that you are not doing a great job! Those books were hard for me to use too, personally. I switched to something with more instruction for me. I did not know about the teacher’s manuals for ILL and PLL or I would have looked into that first before switching.
Anyway, just wanted to say that you are not alone.
Can you give me till this evening?
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