Second guessing a purchase-please advise

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  • nerakr
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    Today I realized that ds8 CANNOT SPELL. I don’t know if it can wait another year per CM’s schedule. He doesn’t write stories (although he can make up some doozies) or make lists. He hates copywork. He was an early reader. He had a speech delay when he was younger and still has some articulation issues. That said, I ordered Simply Spelling from Shoelace Press today. I just don’t know how to teach spelling without some amount of writing. I can’t see him copying a list of words 5 times each, and Simply Spelling doesn’t require that. I wasn’t consistent with the lists I created on Spelling City last year, so that’s why I’m not doing that as my primary source this year.

    All that to say, should I cancel Simply Spelling before it arrives in my inbox tomorrow? Is there something else out there? I know about AAS, but we can’t afford it right now.

    I’ve also finally located a used set of Straight Talk for speech for both dc (delays and artic). Should I hold off on spelling until I’ve implemented some of that?

    TIA,

    Karen

    Rebekahy
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    Wow, what you just described sounds like you’d be a sure on hit for Dianne Craft.  I just got two of her books and am just starting to read them based on rave reviews of friends and strangers in our local homeschool community.  As I was speaking with our pediatrician today, she gave me the go ahead to pursue Dianne’s materials and thought they were great.  http://www.diannecraft.org/  I’d take a peak and see if you might be able to use her techniques for spelling and helping your ds.

    Rebekah

    LDIMom
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    We really like Spelling Power. It is very affordable, very CM in nature and also gives very detailed instrucitons. It is very affordable and non-consumable (unless you buy the notebooks which are optional). You can easily just use a spiral notebook or paper for that matter. You do not just learn words, but it teaches rules and uses many hands-on and varying activities (sensory, auditory, visual) to teach the words and the WHY behind it.

    joyfulfarmgirl
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    We liked the Natrual Speller, low key…low stress.

    JFG

    nerakr
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    @Rebekahy, what products were you referring to? Her prices seem high, too.

    @LDIMom, I’ve heard of Spelling Power, but I’m just not sure I could implement it. The sample I just looked at on CBD looks like it involves more writing than Simply Spelling.

    @joyfulfarmgirl. I’m not sure I would be consistent with Natural Speller. What I’m wanting is something already laid out for me, that I don’t have to plan.

    pslively
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    I don’t know anything about Simply Spelling, so I can’t give any input on that.  We use Sequential Spelling.  My son, who is now 10, also just can’t spell anything.  Well, he’s doing better now, but about 2 years ago, he really couldn’t spell anything.  He was also an early reader, still loves to read well above his grade level, but the child just can’t spell.  I won’t say that Sequential Spelling has been a magic bullet or anything like that, but it has helped him a great deal.  It has taught him to actually think about a word, the root of it, put down what he already knows how to spell and then add to that.  For instance…   if he needs to spell misunderstand, he would start with under, then add the stand, then add the mis.  That is basically the way the lessons are taught.  The writing consists of 25 words per day.  It takes us about five minutes.  (He also hates the act of writing.)  There is no prep time whatsoever for me… just open up the book to that day’s word list and go.  

    You can see samples here.  http://avko.org/sequentialspelling.html   You do not need the student response book.  

    I did previously own Spelling Power and I think it’s a great program, but was not what we needed.

    JenniferM
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    Could someone please explain how Charlotte Mason taught spelling?  I know she advocated copywork and dictation, but was there something more for the child who needed something more?  Surely, she encountered students who needed extra help with spelling…

    nerakr
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    @pslively, I’ve looked at Sequential Spelling. I can’t get my son to do one line of copywork; how am I supposed to get him to write 25 words per day?!

    When I said I wanted something that requires little writing, I suppose I meant NO writing. I got Simply Spelling b/c it was only $9.99.

    If I wanted to plan my own stuff, I have the lists and the tiles. But I don’t want to plan spelling. I know I wouldn’t stick with it.

    ETA: Could someone comment on my second question, should I hold off on spelling until I work on some of his speech issues?

    4myboys
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    Hi, nerakr.  I’m no expert — far from it.  But personally, yes, I would address the speech issue first.  My son spells words the way they sound to him when he says them, and if he’s pronouncing words incorrectly, then he’s spelling them incorrectly.  We’ve spent a lot of time on diction around here.  While working with his speech, just remember to ensure that he is connecting the correct letters with the sounds, but don’t worry so much about spelling words yet.  That will come and rushing into spelling won’t likely help the situation if he’s not ready for it.  Instead he’ll likely just become frustrated with it and learn to hate it. 

    I found some good ideas and tips on the Dianne Craft website mentioned earlier in this thread that I will be trying with my son.  You mind find some of them work for you as well. 

    Rebekahy
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    Karen,  If you visit Dianne Craft’s website it goes into some details about the right brained child – if you PM me your email address I can forward you an email that they sent me with a bunch of free attachments. 

    I think perhaps the best place for you to start is with the Brain Integration Therapy Manual.  I WOULD hold off on spelling because it sounds like right now there are much more basic/foundational areas that your son needs help with.  If he is truly “right-brained” then even if you make him write words over and over again, he’s still not going to be able to spell them correctly.  There’s a disconnect between right brain and left brain that keeps him from being able to store things in his long term memory. 

    Yes, her manual is expensive.  I was able to find it locally used, as well as having several people offer to let me see their copy prior to purchasing – do you have a local homeschool email list that you can inquire to see if anyone has it?  Personally, $60 still isn’t much if it DOES actually work to helps my child with speech, writing, and spelling.  But I would make these foundational issues a top priority over spelling… especially since by CM standards he’s still on the young side for even beginning spelling.

    Rebekah

    nerakr
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    So, should I cancel my order for Simply Spelling or just hold onto it until he’s ready for it?

    Rebekahy
    Participant

    If it doesn’t cost anything to cancel it, I would… You can always repurchase it once your son is more ready to start spelling.

    RobinP
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    I would cancel the order if possible and work on his speech.  We’re not to that point yet, but my adopted Chinese son was born with a cleft lip/palate and has significant speech issues.  He has wanted to read so badly but simply could not reproduce the sounds and was getting very frustrated and confused.  Since making great strides in speech, his reading ability has absolutely soared!  (He’s reading the Dan Frontier series now.)  I know sometimes children are just poor spellers, but I suspect that addressing his speech issues will at least help and maybe clue you in to actual problems he’s having with spellilng itself when the speech is improving.

    Lesley Letson
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    I am not sure that I am adding much help and may sound confusing, but fwiw, I’ll comment on two things:

    Spelling Power: We have this – I found a used copy for cheap and don’t do all the activities. We do really just spend about 5 min a day on this and I don’t have to plan a thing. We go over the rule (my son does write it) and then work our way down the list – just spelling, nothing else. I like that it is so straight forward and not a lot of bells and whistles and extra writing – we do enough writing with other things. One thing I like to do sometimes with spelling if it seems like the writing side is overwhelming is to use foam letters (I have a set of Lauri ones) to spell with instead of writing. Sorta makes it more fun

    Speech: I have twin boys who have a whole boatload of speech issues. We did have our friend who is a speech therapist evaluate them and help me have a sort of game plan with them. I bought a lot of speech books, cds, etc. to use with them and here has been our experience – it was just one more thing to plan and we didn’t do it. I still like to read through the books with them and listen to the cds, but what has really worked best, and what our friend/speech therapist has said, was to be PATIENT (not my strongest virtue) and work with one thing at a time, usually it is a sound they discover themselves that they want to work on. Last year at their annual checkup the ped. said we needed to address the speech issues (I agreed) – for the most part over the past year we have been very laid back, no pressure (because that just frustrates everyone), and haphazardly gone at it when we recognize it. We get really excited when we accomplish a new sound. We have all been less stressed, and this year at their appt, he didn’t even mention speech – I asked him what he thought and he said he thought they had improved alot, and many of our friends have said the same. I think on this issue in particular for us, being very gentle, patient, waiting on their cues of readiness (even if they didn’t seem to go along with the “appropriate age” for being able to do whatever skill), has been the best approach – same goes for reading with these two.

    And I don’t know if the same would transfer over to spelling with your son, but with my boys, not being able to articulate certain sounds doesn’t seem to get in the way of them sounding out words and being able to spell some. They can’t make the “R” sound to save their lives (it is WAY down on our list right now) but when they are sounding out words with “r” they just make their “r” sound and move on. They know what it is supposed to sound like by hearing everyone else pronounce it correctly, it is just that they can’t pronounce it correctly. So, I don’t know, it could be that the speech may not get in the way of being able to learn to spell correctly so long as he can hear it pronounced correctly. I have found too, that with my boys, working on reading and sounding out words has actually helped their speech in causing them to concentrate on individual sounds more. 

    danceandbeglad
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    When my son was that age, we had cards with 5-10 spelling words we were working on, and I had him “build” them with some multi-colored magnetic letters like these.  This seemed to be something he enjoyed, and since he would look at each card while building, (until he really knew the word), it would reinforce the correct spelling in his mind as well. 

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