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  • Tia
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    The whole “done by noon” thing is not working out this year.  I have a third grader and we are transitioning into more work, which is taking up time. And I have a first grader who is ready for more than last year, so that, too, is taking up time. The kids are not overworked because they take turns and have plenty of down time to read, play with their little sister, etc.  But I am busy all day and our school day is not ending until 3:00 or 3:30 some days.  Is this typical?  I understand that when CM recommended “free afternoons”, she was most likely teaching a class of students who were the same age, so she went from subject to subject with everyone working as a group.  As moms, we do math twice…and on down the line, except for family subjects.  

    Does anyone else have this issue?  Is this just part of transitioning into schooling older kids, or should I do a major overhaul somehow?

    pinkchopsticks
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    When do you start your school day? I start at 8:30 and my youngers- 6th, 3rd and K are done by 1:30-2:00. The 9th grader takes just a little bit longer. This is really working straight through until lunch though…no big breaks. If you have a little one in the house, that may draw out your day. Maybe post your schedule?

    Tia
    Participant

    That’s a good idea…this is the shell of what we do…

    8:00 or 8:30 – Bible/History

    9:00 – Older two work/read independently while I spend time with the 4 year old

    10:00 – Snack and Poetry/Map Drill/Picture Study, depending on day

    10:30 Math with 6 yo

    11:00 Math with 8 y o

    11:30 (This is blank in case something takes too long, or we get started late…on Wednesdays, this is Nature Study)

    12:00 – 1:00 Lunch (DH comes home, so this is set.)

    1:00 Piano while I read to 4 year old

    1:30 Copywork and Flashcards with 6 yo

    2:00 Grammar and Spelling with 8 yo…we also go over any independent work from the morning that needs more attention from me.  There are times this takes longer than 30 minutes.  We are only 2 1/2 weeks in, though…

    2:30 Science

    3:00 Read aloud/Snack

    jeaninpa
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    To me your layout looks good and you are really accomplishing a lot.  It looks like you have the basics (math and LA), you’ve added in some great CM touches (nature study, poetry), your schedule includes lunch with Daddy, piano and reading aloud, so you are really doing much more than basic “school” imo.  

    Some areas that I would wonder about…..  you have a 30 minute block of math and another 30 minute block of copywork with your 6 year old.  That seems too long for a 6 year old, unless the two of you are really having a great time.  My 7 year old probably spends at most 15 minutes each on those things.  Also grammar and spelling with your 8 yo is 30 minutes.  I’m not quite sure what you are including with that.  If you are following the CM method, those subjects wouldn’t be taught formally until a child was closer to ten.  If you are meaning things like copywork and then discussing and learning from copywork, or if you are including phonics instruction, etc. in that 30 minutes timeframe, I think you could cut back on that.  When my oldest was 8 I’m sure I spent quite a bit more time on those things as well, but now that my 8 yo is my 9th child, it’s 15 minutes — tops.  In other words, I think 15 minutes is enough, but if you are having lots of fun with it and your child is enjoying it, don’t worry so much about the time,

    pslively
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    Tia,

    Yes, I do think that is typical.  It certainly doesn’t look like you’re overloading anyone and it looks like you’re allowing plenty of time for each subject so that you can be relaxed rather than rushing from one thing to the next.  I often have to remind myself that the teachers in a CM school were dealing with kids all on the same level and didn’t have any babies or toddlers running around, laundry to move from washer to dryer, lunch to prepare, etc.  It does make for an awfully full day for mom, even though the kids are getting plenty of downtime as you pointed out.  Are you okay with it taking all day?  Or were you looking for ways to cut it down?

    I only have one suggestion.  It doesn’t look like you’ve scheduled any downtime for yourself during the day.  In our house, that is essential.  If I don’t have an hour to myself in the afternoon, I am really not a pleasant person to be around.  Every day from 1:30 to 2:30, everyone has to have quiet time in their rooms.  I can’t stress enough how much this helps around here.  It gives us all a chance to rejuvenate for the late afternoon and evening.  

    Tia
    Participant

    jeaninpa,

    Thanks for your thoughts.  I schedule extra time with my 6 year old so I don’t feel rushed.  I could actually, probably, do both of these subjects in one time slot and free up 30 minutes in the afternoon.  Thanks for bringing that up!  She focuses well most of the time and I bet she could handle copywork and math back to back. Right now, we recite poetry together in the extra time or we just quit early and move on.  Afa the 8 yo, she tends to write very slowly and carefully, so these subjects sometimes take a little longer…but we don’t always last the whole 30 min either.  

    pslively,

    About it taking all day…I think I am nervous about it taking so long because we start dance classes next week.  That means we will have to leave at 4:00 two days per week.  That doesn’t leave a whole lot of time to make dinner or just “be.”

    4myboys
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    I’ve got older children and my 11 year old is doing a fair bit on his own this year.  I am wondering if you couldn’t save yourself some time by working through all subjects with one child before moving on to the other.  That’s what we do.  We spend between 30-45 mins per day on one-on-one studies.  For example, my 3rd grader will do his PLL lesson (usuallly orally), copywork and some reading aloud (him to me) within 15 -20 mins tops.  Then we do math.  Once I’m comfortable that he has it, he finishes his page on his own while I move on to the next child.  We don’t do every subject every day, (my 3rd grader: Cursive 2x week, PLL 3x; Copywork daily; reading aloud is Science, History or Lit depending on the day/week.  We are using MUS and I rarely teach a math lesson to each of my children more than once or twice a week) so that helps some, and I’ve found too many transitions just take too much time.

    pangit
    Participant

    Your day looks to me like it is relaxed and not just rushed from one thing to the next all day.  If you’re okay with that, then it can be nice and make it okay to take a longer chunk of time to finish.

    The only thing I can think of and it won’t work for all children, but thankfully does with mine . . . would your children be able to do math at the same time?  When we do math time I sit at the table with one on either side of me and help whoever needs help while being able to keep an eye on what the other is doing.  We use Math U See and they generally are not on a video instruction day at the same time.  So, I will tell whoever is not doing the video to get their math out and get started and I’ll be right there.  I always watch the video with whoever needs to watch it and then we go to the table to work on the practice problems.  Sometimes they are on the video on the same day so one  watches and then the other.  This helps shorten math time because instead of using two 30 minute slots, I can use one.  Also, if your 6 y/o can do copywork right after math just have her pull it out while your sitting right there and get it done.

    How far do you drive to dance class?  Could you do your read a loud as an audio book and play it in the car on the way? 

    Tia
    Participant

    4myboys,

    I was doing subjects with each child exactly the way you described and my 8 yo was worn out by the time we go through it all.  So I decided to try splitting it up this week.  We’ll see how it works…I may go back to the “old” way as we get more used to the lessons this fall.  Thanks for bringing that up…that may be why this week is taking longer than last week. I think I can definitely combine by 6 yo’s lessons…

    pangit

    We used to do math together and this year, I am really working through the teacher’s guide with them.  I haven’t always done that and I feel like I missed some things.  Nothing major, but I do want to do it right.  If you use MUS, then your instructionportion is already done by the time you are at the table, right?  I need to take time with each child and do that portion. Beyond that, they can complete their worksheets independently for the most part…which they do during their morning independent time.  Audiobooks on dance days is a great idea!  I’ll do that.  They will look forward to it.  We only drive about 15 minutes, but it will still be helpful.

     

    pinkchopsticks
    Participant

    I think everything looks really good. As they get older and more independant you may be able to combine the math slot and alternate your instruction with them within that time..hard to do when they are young though. You have time with your 4 yo from 9-10. I wonder if you could condense that down to half hour since you also have a half hour slot with that child in the afternoon? That would enable you to shift school back by half-hour.

    It may be worth it to aim to start at 8:00. Then you could do:

    8:00-8:30 Bible/hx

    8:30-9 olders reading/time with 4 yo

    9-9:30 Snack and Poetry/Map Drill/Picture Study etc

    It would move your whole day back by an hour (keep lunch at the same time, just shift schoolwork) putting your last activity at 2:00. That would give you a little breather before dance lessons.

    Rebekahy
    Participant

    Tia – My kids are the same age as yours, 8, 6, 4 and then I have a 2 year old.  We haven’t started our full schedule for this year, but here’s some things I did last year that might help to shorten your schedule.  I’m not sure what math program you use, but we use MUS and so because both of my olders are learning math facts right now, every lesson is pretty much the same in terms of concepts – just different numbers.  So I have them do math at the same time as my 4 year old.  I work with her on the Primer – it seriously takes all of 5 to 10 minutes for her and I’m available if the older ones have questions, but most of the time I just have to remind them to get out the blocks or give them some prompts with the story problems.

    Also, I spent 30 minutes with my four year old and then had my older girls each spend 15 or 20 minutes with her, and that left me time to work with the other older one on handwriting or grammar.  We also cut out a morning snack.  I had it scheduled in at the beginning of the year and it was too distracting, so I’d tell them to eat up at breakfast and then made them go to lunch.  Once we’d gone a few days without having a snack their stomachs stopped insisting on one.  On the days where someone is really hungry, I’ll let them grab a banana or apple if they finish a subject early during that mid-morning time.

    Not sure what flash cards you’re doing with your 6 year old, but could you have your four year old do them with the 6 year old.  My 4 year old knows all her numbers so if they were addition facts she could easily hold up the card and know if the 6 year old said the right answer.  We also use the computer for math drill AND map drill.  Both programs are free and self-checking.  My 8 year old learned all her states AND capitals in 2 or 3 months – now she knows most of the countries in Africa. 

    And finally, I don’t do read alouds for literature.  We get audio books from the library and listen to them in the car.  I MAY start another one that I read to them at bedtime or perhaps have them do a handicraft while I do a read-aloud.

    I’m a little nervous about this years schedule as it’s pretty tight with a 2 year old that may not be napping in the morning like she did last year.  But right now I still have everything slated to be finished by noon – with the exception of my 8 year old practicing piano.

    I hope that’s encouraging to you, it may not be if your curriculum requires more parental involvement than mine…. if that’s the case – just ignore me!  Tongue out

    Blessings,

    Rebekah

    Rebekahy
    Participant

    Oops – I had only read your initial two posts before my post – so some things are redundant – you don’t have to reply to my suggestions, as I see that others had similar ones.

    momto2blessings
    Participant

    You’ve gotten great advice.  One thing was thinking of was somehow shortening the math time. We use Math-U-See and I generally just work w/a kid on the new concept day…we watch the video together and I get them started on the first few problems. They generally do most of the rest on their own and I’m available for qu. 

    Maybe reading aloud or audio books during breakfast or lunch?  Or this might not be possible w/your curriculums, but maybe doing history 3x/week and science 2x/week might help the schedule a bit? Or read alound at bedtime w/dad? Just my .02:) Blessings, Gina

    Tia
    Participant

    Okay. I’ve taken advice from most everyone and have come up with a tentative plan. I’m going to give it a trial run tomorrow and see how it works. I’m afraid I don’t have enough “transition time” built in, so I may have to get more things ready in the morning or the night before.

    8-8:30 Bible/History

    8:30-9:00 Time with 4 yo/Independent work for older two

    9:00-9:30 Math, copy work, piano flash cards with 6 yo, mr rogers for 4 yo, 8 yo still doing independent work

    9:30 Map/picture study/poetry

    10:00-11:00 Math, grammar, spelling, piano flash cards with 8 yo (other two do some gluing followed by an audiobook)

    11:00 Free Time, Clean up

    11:30 Nature study or outside

    12:00-1:00 lunch

    1:00 piano while I read to 4 yo

    1:30 science

    2:00 read aloud and snack

    Thoughts? Anything I’m missing? I’m so glad I said something! You guys had some great suggestions…sometimes it takes someone totally removed to see it…

    SueinMN
    Participant

    Maybe it’s just me but I don’t think children this young need History, Science and Nature Study every day. I think you could easily rotate them or do History and Science each twice a week and Nature Study once a week. The only subjects I would cover daily would be Bible, LA, Reading, and Math.

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