RobinP – Thank You!

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  • artcmomto3
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    My oldest is in 5th grade and doing occasional written narrations. Teaching my child to write is my greatest concern of all subjects. A friend of mine highly praises IEW, and I have thought about it for possibly down the road but more to support narrations than used as a full curriculum. However, today I read your comment on the thread about literature guides and am so inspired by your son’s testimony. That is so very encouraging that CM is enough.
    So, can I ask you something? How did you teach your son to write? Did he edit his work and rewrite it? Or did it come naturally to him?

    Wings2fly
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    Yes, that was very encouraging Robin.  Thanks!

    RobinP
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    I’m glad you were encouraged.  No…it did not come naturally to him!  That’s why it was so hilariously funny to us.  🙂  He was always the math/science guy with all the stereotypes.  Couldn’t spell his way out of a paper bag.  He struggled with getting thoughts down on paper for a very long time.  Honestly we didn’t do much in the way of formal writing instruction.  No specific curricula.  It was very organic…discuss things like punctuation, sentence structure, etc. as it came up in his writing.  “This should be capitalized because…”  or “This is called a run-on sentence because…and it should be written like this.”  Sometimes if he had trouble organizing his thoughts for a narration, I would have him simply make a list of the order of events.  That was easier for him to then flesh them out.  I mentioned in the earlier post about how we wrote a 5-paragraph essay.  He had almost no formal grammar as in using a curriculum.  I remember looking at a couple of writing curricula early in high school and thinking they seemed very forced and dreadfully contrived.  I knew we would both hate it.

    He has always spoken very well.  Loves word plays, puns, etc.  He really has a way with words.  And I attribute it to the books we’ve always read.  I think by the time he got to college, he had matured to the point that these things began to come together.  His spelling is flawless now.  The way he expresses himself is really beautiful.  Not flowery.  He is an engineer after all.  😉  But really lovely language.  He still reads at every opportunity.

    I know Charlotte said in Vol. 1, I believe, something like “writing lessons should be like snakes in Scotland…there are none.”  I know she was referring to the younger years and her older student did have some formal instruction if I’m not mistaken.  Her students probably had more than my son did!  I’m not encouraging anyone to necessarily do what we did.  Each parent and child is different.  But I do believe the books are key.  If the language going into their hearts and minds is beautiful, it stands to reason that the language that comes out of them will be beautiful.  If the grammar they hear and read is exact, the grammar that comes out of them will be exact, whether or not he knows the definition of the grammar concept.

    Will my two younger boys have the same experience?  I have no idea.  I suspect my youngest (adopted from China at age 6) will need more help.  (Although he is sitting beside me right now reading to me from his current favorite book.)  🙂  That’s probably why my own sentence structure is pathetic right now!  My brain is split between high school composition and Edward Eager!  🙂

    One thing I would encourage is to NOT panic if it’s not coming together.  I really think time and maturity are necessary.  Sure you have those children (mostly girls??) who can spout off pages and pages of descriptive writing but if it doesn’t happen until much later, I really think that’s OK.  Not to say you shouldn’t teach them or guide their writing but sometimes I think we expect some things way too early for many children.

    I don’t know if that was helpful at all but it pretty much sums up our experience.  If you have other questions, I’ll try to remember more specifically.

    artcmomto3
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    Well, you have just put my mind at ease like Sonya so often does when I come to her with questions at conventions and curriculum fairs. Thank you so much! And if I ever get the chance I want to meet you IRL. After all, I think we are in the same state (TN). 🙂

    RobinP
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    Oh wow!  I know TN is a very long state and I’m in the upper NE corner but if you ever come to the Smokys give me a holler.  I’m about an hour away.

    beccawalker2000
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    Robin,
    I was so encouraged by your post as well. Writing has always been a struggle for us. My son is 11, in 6th grade. We switched to CM in October, and I am still finding my way in learning how to implement narrations and make them a true learning experience. I have many doubts and fears, but I know that we are on the path that God has led me to, and I know He will lead us through this. Hearing from more experienced moms is HUGE for me. Thank you!!

    artcmomto3
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    Yes, I’m in the Chattanooga area. We go to the Smokies fairly regularly.

    RobinP
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    Blessings to you!  It is a walk of faith, isn’t it?  But God is indeed faithful.  Sure we struggle but that just teaches us to lean on Him.  If anything from our experience helped you, just know it was all Him.

    artcmomto3
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    You are so right! I truly believe the Lord used your story just at the time that I needed it. And it sounds like I was not the only one either. His timing is perfect. God bless you!

    connollyhomeschool
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    RobinP, I, too, let out a big sigh of relief after reading your post. It ignited renewed enthusiasm in me. Thank you so much for sharing! Now I want to pick your brain about your post, if you don’t mind, please 🙂

    Did you not only have him narrate and/or write narrations on his reading, but did you also discuss it with him informally? I have a hard time keeping up with what my girls are reading (well, the how much part), and I often think I can get around not reading certain books that I have read before. However, when they narrate or want to share a favorite moment, I find myself thinking, “When did that happen?” Now, I don’t sit down and formally discuss the books. The girls just like to chat about them, perhaps while we’re cooking or as they just finished a chapter and are putting it down. I want to discuss it with them, too, but there aren’t enough hours in the day for me to keep up with what they’re reading.

    How did you handle these situations? Did the discussions, if you had them, seem to help his narrating?

    RobinP
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    You inspired me.  :). I just rattled this off.

    http://childrenslegacylibrary.blogspot.com/2016/03/taking-up-residence.html

    I don’t know if that answers your question but yes we narrated and yes we discussed.  But I’m just an informal person.  We just talk.  I never worried if I hadn’t read the book.  If I didn’t get enough of the plot and ideas from his discussion, I would say “That sounds interesting.  Tell me more.”  Then we would have a conversation.  Again, very organic.

    connollyhomeschool
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    You nailed it RobinP–such beautiful thoughts and very inspiring. Thank you for writing that and sharing those truths.

    Now all along, I’ve felt as if I’m just “winging it” at times when I ask them for more information so I can get more context of what they’re discussing. 🙂 I find it interesting that I viewed it as a negative on my part rather than a positive on the whole.

    We’ve found that CM has inspired adult non-readers that stay in our home to read more; something we never anticipated. We are a bit of a vacation destination for family and friends, and so they may hear read-alouds over the course of their stay. There is nothing more delightful to my children than to have their grandparents be the first to demand me to read another chapter of The Chestry Oak at lunchtime, to hear adults ask for a copy of a book to read themselves, have adults scoop up our toddler and soothe her so that I can keep reading in a quiet room, etc. So then how you describe books and informal book discussions becoming a part of family culture, we’ve experienced deeper connections with friends and extended family as well because of the CM process.

    I didn’t intend to keep typing about all of this. I’m not trying to make this about me or our family. But CM has really changed the climate in our home, and I could talk all day about books and reading 🙂 Needless to say, your posts are consistently an encouragement and blessing to me!

    RobinP
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    Yes that’s it exactly.  When books are such a central part of life, it’s bound to spill over and “infect” even those who are not readers.  🙂

    And please don’t get the idea that we’ve done anything wonderful.  Michelle from this forum, dear friend and library patron, told me our story was on FB (I’m not so I wouldn’t know) and I thought, how embarrassing!  We’ve done nothing!  Honestly much of it was that I was barely hanging on.  John was an only child until he was 13.  Then all within about a year, we had another baby at age 40, bought our pharmacy, my mom had a stroke and required much care from me, we moved.  Some of what we did was because it was all I could do.  If anything it’s about God’s faithfulness.  (I just don’t want to portray that it’s OK to be negligent of there is truly a need to step in and be more proactive.)  But Charlotte was right…education is indeed a discipline…and it is indeed an atmosphere and a LIFE.

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