Reasonable expectations???

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  • nancyg
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    Well, I admit to feeling a little discouraged tonight. I value the wisdom expressed here very, very much, and say thanks in advance for any responses!!  So I’m coming with a question.  I’m schooling a 7yo girl, our 4th, who seems like perhaps she’ll be at the older end of the spectrum for some of her learning.  I’m trying to go so much more wholeheartedly with CM philosophy and practice this time than I did with the older 3.  I’m sure that CM herself would find much lacking in our days, but I AM trying!  Last year when it was time to plan 1st grade, she was still learning her letters and some basic number and counting ideas, and I wanted to focus on those skills.   It seemed a stretch to begin any history with her.  I went the Truthquest American History for younger students path, so this year we read many books about the early days of America. No textbooks, but recommended living books through the Revolutionary War period.  She’s a beginning narrator, so I didn’t have her narrate much from these, but more from Aesop and nature books.  We didn’t do much in the way of hands-on, project-y kinds of things, other than putting flags from England, France, and Spain on a US map where their explorations and settlements were.  Tonight I tried to ask some open-ended questions to see what she could tell about the early days of our country – and it wasn’t much AT ALL!  She truly seems vague about almost everything that we’ve read.  (“Christopher Columbus sailed over on a ship, he asked the king and queen for 3 or 4 ships, and when he got here, were the Indians nice or mean, and then …he got a job?  Was there a war?”)  Maybe you get the idea.  I don’t know whether to feel like this last year was a waste as far as history goes, or if more is inside her brain than she can express well, or why am trying to teach history to an early elementary student anyway?  What are appropriate goals?  BOOKWORM – I’ve admired so much your well thought-out approaches and suggestions, and am curious what your thoughts are.  I don’t mean to presume that you will respond, but others also seem to benefit from your wisdom and experience. 

    I apologize if this seems rambly or disjointed – it’s late, but I was feeling “needy” for the thoughts of other CMers.  Again, thanks in advance for any input!!  God bless you all!    

    Bookworm
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    Nancy dear, take a deep breath.  Look at all the things your daughter HAS done well.  Has she made progress in reading?  In math?  Can she remember some of those Aesop’s Fables and nature stories she narrated?  Has she formed some relations with things outdoors and in?  You are right in that when those basic skills are being formed, a lot of effort and “brain power” gets soaked up in that.  Sometimes not a lot is left over for other things.  Early years in history, I think, have resulted in some spotty learning for many of our younger children.  I usually consider anything picked up as icing on the cake. (If it makes you feel better, I once had a child tell me that the Boston Tea Party was a real tea party and they had it on a boat because the salt was taxed in town and they put stamps on the tea before they drank it, and then  hung up pictures of bad guys with the Christmas lights in town.  LOL) Also, believe it or not, the example you gave isn’t really all that bad.  Instead of looking at what she DIDN’T pick up, look at what she did.  She clearly knew that Columbus was the guy on the boat, she appropriately remembered Ferdinand and Isabella, and knew there were several ships and that he encountered Indians.  When the folks at Charlotte’s school evaulated written narration responses, they counted the specific things the child did RIGHT. 

    You’ve also given a clue in that you said you did not have her narrate everything in history.  Now, that is OK.  Narration is a skill that needs some time to develop.  If her skills have improved, though, then this is the perfect time to run an experiment and see the difference that narration can make.  (the year’s maturation will also help!)

    So, what do you need to know for this year?  Do you have “narratable” books for history this year?  Meaning–are they living?  Are they a good level?  Do they break up history into relatively bite-sized pieces, with stories with beginnings and middles and ends?  Are you reading them at a relatively slow pace, and leaving time to narrate?  There are some other things to keep in mind, too, and I could rattle them off but Sonya did a good blog series on assessment a while ago and I think it is worth printing and keeping in your planning notebook.  See http://simplycharlottemason.com/home/blog/page/6/  “How Much Does My Child Remember?” and “The Charlotte Mason Method of Narration” and then http://simplycharlottemason.com/home/blog/page/5/  “Pre-Reading Reviews” and “End-of-Term Exams”.  Make it a goal to begin to implement some of these methods this year.  Ease into it.  I think you’ll find that each year as your daughter grows and as you together become more proficient at these methods, next summer you’ll be more pleased with what you’ve covered and retained.  Do be prepared, though, for the occasional “funny” or vague moment still.  Sometimes I still get them.  🙂  Hey, sometimes I still get something garbled up myself and PRODUCE a “funny.”  Remember you are spreading a feast, and she  might pick up different dishes than you expected.  🙂  I’ve had one son who could do a pretty good job at end of term exams with his narrations–as long as wars, weapons and bad guys were involved.  🙂  Anything else pretty much slid right past him.  But he’s improved a lot with time.

    So, what can you do for the stuff that is not quite in the memory bank now?  I wouldn’t reread the same books unless she wanted to for pleasure–you do want to make sure they are listening the first time and not get in a habit of rereading.  But there is nothing wrong with some other methods of quick review, and since you covered early American history, you have a lot of opportunities during the year.  How about a brief retelling of the story of Columbus and maybe a fun craft on Columbus Day?  How about borrowing a few NEST videos on, say, Pocahontas and William Bradford and Christopher Columbus and reviewing the stories that way?  How about making a few Pilgrim-era foods at Thanksgiving with some retelling of the stories?  She already has some basic “hooks” that she did pick up, and so just find little ways to reinforce those and hang some more on those.  Don’t consider the year a waste, but a learning experience and a basic “framework” job.    Another good way to review a little bit would be to work together on a simple timeline if you didn’t already do one, or even perhaps if you did. 

    OK.  Are you feeling a little better this morning?  Go give that sweet little girl a hug, and then repeat “We did a good job learning together this year” and then print off Sonya’s blogs on assessment for next year and have fun thinking about it being even better this year. 

    nancyg
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    Bookworm – I’m sure that you must be one of the kindest women on earth!!  Thank-you so much for the time and care you spent in your response.  I DID take a breath, look at last year from a little different perspective, and smile at your recounting of the Boston Tea Party!!Laughing You gave me so many ideas and suggestions for growth on both our parts, and I plan to study  the articles you mentioned before I plan next year, which hopefully will begin later this week.

    I’m sure that I sense God’s Spirit in you, right through cyberspace!!  May He bless you richly, and thank-you again!  Nancy 

    Esby
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    I once asked my oldest child, who was 7 at the time, for a narration about Benjamin Frankin. Her narration about this great American and accomplished man was, “Benjamin Franklin was born on Milk Street.”

    Sigh.

    They will make their own connections, getting better and deeper over time. It wasn’t funny to me at the time, but we now laugh about the Milk Street narration and it will send us into giggles when someone in the family says, “Benjamin Franklin was born on Milk Street!”

    Hang in there. Enjoy the readings together and have faith the improvement will happen.

     

    I wanted to “second” the focus on really great books that lend themselves to narration. I have bombed so many, many times and realized that it was often my bad book choices more than the child’s lack of ability.

    If it makes you feel any better the only thing my kids consistantly remember about Thomas Jefferson was that he wrote something really important and that his favorite food was peas.

    Smile

    nancyg
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    Dear Esby and Caroline – Thank-you both for your kind and helpful replies!!  Now I have had a hearty out-loud laugh – THANKS for the funnies from all the responses that make me feel not so alone!Laughing

    God bless you all!!

    nerakr
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    I’ll add a funny story. Yesterday I read Winter on the Farm (an adaptation of a chapter from Farmer Boy) to ds5. I don’t require narrations yet, since he’s so young, but he did have a question about the story. Here goes–did they have toilets? (I briefly explained about outhouses).

     

    Karen

    Mamasong
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    Karen, that’s funny… but a VERY important question too, especially when you’re 5 years old!  LOL!

    Rachel Laughing

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