Question about CM quote about science

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  • nancyg
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    “But we teach astronomy, no, we teach ‘light and heat’ by means of dessicated text-books,diagrams and experiments, which last are no more to children than the tricks of white magic.” Vol. 6, p. 50.

    I don’t think I know what she means. Insights? Experience?

    Bookworm, you seem to be very scientific at your house…..?

    Thanks so much for any response!

    nebby
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    I haven’t gotten to vol. 6 yet but it sounds to me like she is being facetious. She is saying that textbook diagrams and cute little experiments don’t actually teach kids science. The experiments fascinate kids and seems like magic to them but they don’t necessraily get the science behind them.

    Just my guess

    Nebby

    http://www.lettersfromnebby.wordpress.com

    Bookworm
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     Hi!

    Charlotte here is discussing our tendency to “think” for children.  She is decrying how often we step in and get between the child and the ideas, how often we “point out the moral” and prevent the children the joy and work of finding it themselves.  She is discussing an example of how delighted children are when they actually go LOOK at the stars.  In the example, a child tells her mother all about the stars, in such a fascinating way, and from her direct experience, so that the mother is captivated and decided she would like the study of astronomy.  But then Charlotte points out what often passes for “science” in children’s classrooms–instead of walkin about under the stars and looking at them, instead we hand children abstracted lessons in a text and canned “experiments.”  We shortchange them.  Not that they should NEVER look at a text–but that they  should FIRST have that experience of walking under the stars and learning about them in that way before getting to “light and heat” in a text.

    As an example of the type of experiment she means, I recently had an interesting experience.  My 12yo wanted to go to the Iowa Science Center for his birthday, so we took him.  One of the many programs he saw was a short presentation on electricity.  The nice young lady that was DOING the presentation told us lots of facts, but then did “gee-whiz” type things like making static electricity and using a Van de Graeff generator to make “lightning” and things like that.   Now, this was actually cool for a preteen boy–my son LOVED it.  But he loved it really mostly as entertainment.  To him it wasn’t really an experiment.  Not a lot of real learning took place.  It was “gee-whiz”, “tricks of white magic.”  “Demonstrations” often are.  And at the time, many science classes were taught by “demonstrations” by the teacher, followed by reading in a text—and that was it.  Charlotte wanted children to EXPERIENCE the natural world, take it in with their senses and imagination, then later move on to doing REAL experiments–the kind where you wonder what will happen if you mix x and y, so you formulate a hypothesis and then actually, yourself, MIX x and y.  That is learning.  As an example of this–the same day at the science center, we also went to a show in the little planetarium on “Iowa’s Night Sky.”  We sat down under this dome in the dark and the presenter projected a star map onto it so we could see.  But instantly my 12yo was whispering to me  “Oh, mom, look, there’s Venus, and you really can’t see this constellation very well at our house because it’s too bright, but I saw it one night-there it is, isn’t that cool, next time it’s really dark maybe I can show it to you, OH LOOK There’s the North Star, did you know that to find the North Star you . . . ”  He was excitedly telling me all of this before the presenter started talking–and it all came from his own experience.  He could never have gotten all that from a dry text.  It was his very own knowledge, that he had gained himself, and he didn’t really  need the artificial star chart up on the ceiling except as a way to show me what he knew.  (Sadly, I don’t always go out with him at night when he looks at stars.) 

    Charlotte is saying—texts and demonstrations are NO SUBSTITUTE for real knowledge and ideas, gained by a child through his own experience and senses.

     

    nancyg
    Participant

    Thanks so much Bookworm and Nebby. I think I’m pretty weak in science. I was looking at some packaged programs to give me some structure. Expensive. So then I wondered, “What’s really out there as possibilities for living science books?” I found so many books that even made me feel excited to read them. I remembered an SCM workshop and the phrase “books and things.” I was trying to think about the “things” part. I always understand better what I do and see, and wondered whether we should try to do more experiments and activities that would correlate with the books? Soooo – for example, do I try to do “experiments” with magnets and a compass, or just let her mess around? Do we try some chemistry activities while we read from a living book about the elements? Do you think books full of experiment ideas fall into that category of “white magic?” I’ll never come up with hands-on ideas by myself! She’s really looking forward to “doing.” (10 years old, somewhat delayed, last one at home so I can tailor to her needs.) Again, thanks so much in advance for input.

    Bookworm
    Participant

    Books of experiments aimed at children can have both good activities and a few “white magic” type activities, but I woudln’t worry about it too much.   What I might consider doing is finding some activities that go very well with the topic you are studying–if you are doing magnetism, by all means get a magnets kit!  And do those in a fairly methodical way.  But I often also just got books of experiments, packed up a box with some of the necessary ingredients, and the kids could pull that out instead of nature study on a rainy or subzero day.  I figured direct contact with the laws that govern life here on earth would be better than nothing.  A few “gee whiz” experiments or even demonstrations aren’t going to HURT anyone–the point CM makes is that your entire program should not be based on them.  As an example–we always learn about the various elements in as many ways as we can when we do chemistry with young kids.  But—I don’t keep plutonium around the house.  🙂  And I’m NOT about to drop sodium in water.  Other folks do these things, and we find videos on youtube (and one good place–the University of Nottingham has an excellent series of videos on the elements)  Is there a little “white magic” in there?  Yup.  But it’s still fun and really makes you think differently about things once you watch one of the components of table salt explode.  🙂 So, yes, do stuff.  Do some magnet experiments when you read about them.  Observe and maybe catch some butterflies when you read about them.  Do some kitchen chemistry when you study chemistry.  Make use of videos and “white magic” as topics of interest occasionally–just don’t let them be the “meat.” 

     

    nancyg
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    Thanks, Bookworm! You are so very generous with your time, experience, and wisdom! It does help to hear others’ thoughts instead of always just mulling things over alone!

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