Thanks everyone. Also Bethanna’s experience is also right on. My mom sneaks and tells my kids not to tell me also which causes heart issues. Also for those who say don’t say anything I have to wonder if you would feel that way if your kids were with these people on a regular basis? We see my parents often not just on this one weekend or here and there but weekly in the summer months.
I want to add food is just one area, that’s the hardest cause family time usually revolves around food.
Anyway.. this has given dh and I something to ponder and I really appreciate all the thoughts and advice. I know you are speaking from the heart and it means a lot to me. Not an easy thing to deal with and it will have to be prayed over and dh and I have to do what ever it is ‘together’. Thanks Misty
I know I’m commenting a lot on this. My parents are coming to visit this weekend and will be here for 2 weeks and I’m trying to work through how to deal with it myself. So, the fact that I’m going all over the board here is my way of processing it. 🙂
I’ve told my mom that if not doing what our parents did is dishonoring, then we are simply stuck because my parents and my in-laws didn’t raise their kdis the same.
I’ve had both sets of parents yell at me in front of my children. I’ve had to ask my in-laws to leave (they didn’t listen). I’ve had my mom tell my kids that it’s their daddy’s fault she doesn’t get to see them very much (we live 2000 miles away from her.)
I have no idea why there seems to be a generation of grandparents where this is just too common of behavior. My parents and my in-laws would have not put up with that sort of interference.
I’m now into saying, “I don’t care if my rule is that my kids can only eat purple. You don’t have to agree with it. You have to respect it.”
I think that for me (and it sound like for Misty), the problem is that when they know what your wishes are and still walk all over them, trying to maintain a relationship and let them be around the kids seems impossible.
It’s easy for me to have ideas on how to deal with a specific incident (like I can open gifts and see what’s in them before I let the kids have them), but I have no clue on how to deal with the underlying issue that is a complete lack of respect for the autonomy of our family.
I’m agreeing with jawgee again. If there were sneakiness and encouraging disrespect/rebellion, I would address it, but I would want to consider my heart, too. My husband and I choose how to raise our kids and it’s quite different from how I was raised. My parents aren’t offended though. They might think I’m odd at times, but they do respect me and that it’s our decision. I think that may be the difference. Forgive me if it’s a wrong assumption, but Misty it seems that there is a lack of respect both ways. You don’t like their choices and they don’t like yours and instead of being able to agree to disagree peaceably, there’s tension both ways.
Misty, we live 5 miles from my mom, so we see her once weekly at a minimum. If my kids go to her home, I either say nothing or I’ll be upfront – they just ate, so just a small snack or they watched an extra show this week so no tv. She honors what I ask. Now, we’ve had another more serious issue with her. At one point, she drank and sometimes to excess. After one such incident, I had a very serious talk with her and forbade my children from going to her house because I will not expose my kids to excessive drinking or the safety issues it can cause. She was still welcome at our home if sober and that talk is what led her to sobriety. There was a year where they didn’t visit her home, though. To me, that was an issue worthy of confrontation. Junk food isn’t, tv isn’t. The encouragement of disrespect and rebellion through junk food, tv, etc. would be worthy of confrontation for me. I would pray for wisdom and the ability to speak calmly and respectfully remembering that a soft answer turns away wrath, but harsh words stir up anger. Then I would address the attitude and heart issues as opposed to the specifics on their own. I’m sorry, I do know it’s not easy.
I haven’t commented on this thread because while I have these issues with the various Grandparents, when talking to them doesn’t work my approach has been to change my behavior and not attempt to talk keep talking to them about “the problem”. When I saw Misty’s comment I wanted to reply to hopefully shed some light. Misty said:
Also for those who say don’t say anything I have to wonder if you would feel that way if your kids were with these people on a regular basis? We see my parents often not just on this one weekend or here and there but weekly in the summer months.
With my Mom, it isnt that she doesn’t know better, or is oblivious, it is that she is being passive-aggressive. I have seen the fruit of her behavior in my older kids and my hubby and I have determined we won’t repeat the same mistakes again so we structure things differently. When I try to talk to her she says I am disrespecting her or attacking her so why try to talk any more?
I try set up our interractions so her choices can cause as few problems as possible. I don’t depend on her for things like a place to stay or babysitting. Even though we see her *at least* weekly we don’t spend large blocks of time with her and the kids are never unsupervised around her or we too get the sneaky stuff. When she does things that are not appropriate I simply change the subjct, walk away, distract the kids, etc. As they get older we will have the talk, as necessary, about our choices and Grandma’s choices.
Is this how I wanted our family relationships to be? Nope. Unfortunately understanding my point of view and improving the relationship is not one of my Moms goals, so instead I need to control the things I can control- me and my choices- and not continue to try to get her to change by talking to her about things she doesn’t want to talk about.
Of course your mileage may vary, but I wanted to answer the question about why I choose not to talk to my Mom about these difficult things and the changes we made in our family to cope with her attitude and behavior.
This is so tough and balance is necessary. The kids are your kids, but your parents are still your parents. There are many people who have no parents left anymore that wish they could have them around even if they disagree on some things. So, my advice, for what it is worth, is to tread softly. You will win your parents’ respect on these issues much more if your attitude is still very sweet and kind and respectful to them as adults and your parents.
I do not agree with my mother in law on many issues, but I have decided to pick my battles. Sometimes the battle goes to her side, but it is one battle. In those cases, I usually back off the contact a bit. She is 5 minutes away and she and my husband work for the same employer! But, it can be done. Limiting that is. I have found that just being unavailable a bit for things often works better than confrontation. Not that I am afraid to confront if needed, but, I have found that it doesn’t usually help much anyway. After a bit of time of not being available for her events and not getting together and I think she sort of figures out that she needs to go with our flow a bit. Then when we do get back together it is better.
Boundaries. That is an important thing with extended family. Boundaries. Set some, own them, enforce them in a non-confrontational way. Actions speak louder than words usually.
I guess in summary I would say that setting boundaries for yourselves and then just living that out is often easier than trying to convince family that you know better. This is still tough, so as others have said, Pray. Ask God to intervene on your behalf. He will.
This is, indeed, a tough spot to be in. I can see all sides of it. I just wanted to remind you, Misty, about honoring your parents. The Bible clearly tells us that we are to honor our father and mother, and the promise we get in return for honoring them is to live long in the land He has given us.
As Benita said, balance is necessary. I believe it is possible to choose your battles wisely, honor your parents, and still be the parent to your children. A conversation with your parents may or may not be necessary. As some have said, unless there is a true safety issue or something serious like an allergy at stake, you may have to bite your tongue and just let your kids be kids and the grandparents be grandparents. I have to do this all the time. My in-laws delight in spoiling our children with little trinkets and ice cream and such. Would I rather they not have the ice cream from the drive-thru? Yeah, but I can give no reason why they shouldn’t have it either, other than it being my personal preference. Now, they are strictly gluten-free, so that means no cone and no ice cream with cookies or other gluten-containing products, and my in-laws absolutely respect that because I have taken the time to explain gluten sensitivity to them. The ice cream battle is one I have chosen not to fight because it isn’t everyday that they’re taking my kids for ice cream and they also respect the boundaries that have been set as far as food coloring, gluten, etc.
I know my mom and my in-laws don’t agree w/ everything we are doing with our kids. My mom has been vocal about it in the past, and I did have to tell her matter-of-factly that I am the mom and I would appreciate her respecting my authority to make decisions for my children. She does great now. But I still honor my mom and my in-laws. We involve them in many ways in our lives, and they know they are valued, respected, and loved. We still ask them for advice, which I believe honors them as well.
And, you do need to set boundaries. Most people think of boundaries as causing awkwardness or confrontation, but it doesn’t have to be that way. Boundaries are healthy and necessary. And you may have to set boundaries for yourself. You may just have to tell yourself that biting your tongue and smiling is the boundary in some instances.
Sometimes it’s hard to remember that our parents are people too, and they respond best to love and respect, just like anyone else.
May I respectfully suggest that instead of thinking about the things you disagree about you turn your focus instead towards you own relationship with your parents? Is there something amiss there? The issues you that you are having sound more like symptoms, while the true problem is probably something deeper. Pray for God’s guidance. He is always with you.
Everyone has advice to give and everyone’s situation is different. While you do need to pick your battles you also have to stand up for yourself and your family. There may be underlying issues; I know there is in my case that I am dealing with but didn’t post it all on here. This may be a post where you agree to disagree. I pray that each of us can figure out what works best for us and our families and go from there.
Thanks everyone AGAIN! I wasn’t sure if posting this question would go over well cause of difference of opinion. That said, we are so mature and we all love the Lord, so this conversation has been going on very tastefully. Thank you for that from the bottom of my heart.
I knew I was not alone in this area of parents and grandparents. I am encouraged on how everyone has handled there personal situation. I know this board would never be able to see all there is to each of our family relationships but it has helped me ponder it in new light.
I know with my parents, and after dh and I spoke in depth Saturday, we both feel the talk will have to be had it can not be ignored. BUT – We are going to make the best of this coming weekend that we can and nothing will be said. Then we will take a step back from them for a good while. When the time is right we’ll sit with them and talk. We did this a few years ago with his parents and it was a rough time for about a month but after that and the years sense have been so much better and not a word has been said sense. My dh feels it’s time for the same talk with my parents and when the time is right we’ll proceed. I am resting that the Lord will direct my dh in this area as he did with his parents many years ago. Besides he is my rock and my strength (oh and he also keeps me from flying off the handle which I get from my mom LOL) I love my parents dearly, I don’t want to be seperated from them, we just want our times together to end peacefully not in fustration and regret.
Thanks everyone this chat has been so good and it has made me more ready to do this in complete respect to my parents which I know wouldn’t have been there with out you all! (yep from MN here.. ‘you all’ laughing even after I wrote it)