OT: Do you trust Trader Joe's w/GMO's

We’re not eating corn, soy, or sugar at all these days, and we likely will never reintroduce corn. As far as I know and from what I’ve read, all corn is GMO, courtesy of Monsanto. I’d say if it’s not labelled as non-GMO, it is modified, even at TJ’s.

From what I understand 90% of SOY in the US is GMO and 80% of corn is GMO, so you’re actually slightly safer with corn than with soy – not much.  It’s really, really not supposed to be GMO if it’s organic, but I guess it depends on how much you trust the supplier.

If it’s organic corn it’s not GM. Soy isn’t good for you as organic or as GM; only as organic miso and tamari and tempeh.

Ezekial bread sells a soy-free bread called 7-grain; it’s in teh red bag.

Soy was not grown in the Middle East. The beginning of Ezekial 4:9 says: Further, take wheat (probably spelt, certainly not our current post-WWII wheat), barley, beans, lentils, millet and emmer…

The company uses soy as the “bean”, but soy would not have been one of the ingredients.

G-D has already given us His instructions about food – which haven’t changed – and it wasn’t the bread of Ezekial that G-D gave asHis declarations for what constitutes food for those set apart for Him – it was specifically for Ezekial for a specific purpose, although one isn’t restricted from eating it, either; I believe it is probably great for you (without the soy). However, the verse doesn’t say anything about the beans and grain berries being sprouted; so I don’t know where they came up with that; though sprouting it would make it more easily digested and bring out the B vitamins, especially.

It is humans who, with our scientific arrogance, have destroyed our basic sustenance and made it more complicated to get/grow/find “real food”.

If you need to, locusts can be eaten if you run out of everything else. Maybe dipped in stevia sweetened chocolate?

Petitemom, the corn in the 7-Grain Ezekial company’s bread is organic, so your good. It is probably hybrid corn and not heirloom or cross-pollinated, but it’s not GM corn. I am personally fine eating it, myself if needed. Being that it’s sprouted also makes it easier to digest and releases the B vits. Don’t know if it’s dent corn (traditionally corn grown for corn flour usage) or sweet corn. I try to avoid GM corn and it’s derivatives as is feasibly possible. I just don’t eat hybrid sweet corn cobs, but grow or buy heirloom sweet corn.

Bookworm, I don’t see anywhere where someone said that G-D said we couldn’t eat soy. True, you can’t find that in the Scriptures and it can’t be found on these postings either. I’m afraid you misunderstood someone.

I myself was responding to the statement made by petitemom. My point was that their use of soy as the “bean” isn’t accurate to foods used in the Near East during Ezekial’s time. That’s all; not that it’s a forbidden food. If you think I was deriding this company, I was not. I was disagreeing with their choice of an ingredient that they have chosen to use; one that they have chosen to use now, but wouldn’t have been chosen by Ezekial, historically speaking. Where’s the derision? People must research for themselves, listen to their own bodies, pray and come up with their own decisions.

I also didn’t say that all soy was bad. I specifically said that organic miso, tempeh and tamari were fine. As for the Asians, they have not and probably still do not consume soy in the same way as it is used here in America. It was fermented to make the products I mentioned above; not included in massive amounts of processed oils, soy byproducts and quickly processed soy milk. Also, it is my understanding that the Asian thyroid is different than our thyroids – people of European descent. The Asians also consume more high iodine foods-again counteracting the goitrogenic affects of the soybean; those effects still aren’t as bad in them as those possible in ourselves due to how we have used the soybean. Since most of the soy consumed in Asia is – or used to be- from a long fermentation and in condiment form, for the most part, and not as one of the main ingredients via oil, soy protein isolate, soy lecithin, soy milk among infants and children and soy flour. All cheap additions to huge portions of the standard American diet.

We have a thyroid problem in America and soy that is not consumed in the traditional manner interferes with the thyroid’s functioning. At the same time, the consumption of iodine in our food has gone down.

As for feeding the world’s hungry, specifically what Monsanto is doing is causing these third-world farmers to be dependent on having to purchase grain seed every year; not to mention the potential side-effects on people and the eco-system of corn genetically-modified with the Bt toxin and Round-Up ready. They’ve caused American farmers to be unable to save seed, both as a result of their GM seed being unable to reproduce itself like the generations of seed-saving has done, or as a result of litigation and to require stronger pesticides due to resistance (like our super-bugs resistant to antibiotics due to overuse). One thing farmers used to be able to do is to be assured of saving their seed for the security of food for the next year. Agribusiness has changed that tradition, first here and now worldwide, with their GM seed. Charities provide cows, goats, chickens, land cultivation instruction, water purification, etc. to help people take care of themselves with real food year after year AND some share the good news, too to nourish their souls. It’s not as quick a result as buying seed from a company, but long-term, I believe it’s the best one for a variety of reasons.

I agree that there are differing variations of food choices (though I don’t think that just because it was created to serve a purpose within creation means it was intended for food). There are different growing conditions for different people based on geography and different needs for people groups and then there’s genetics. For example, those in the more Arctic regions require higher levels or Vit. D from certain foods than those in the tropics. And certain conditions must be considered in our choices; but some of those conditions are temporary as once the intestinal tract is strengthened or other healing occurs or as food combinations require, one can start consuming things they couldn’t before; albeit in a pre-digested (i.e. fermented) form. But really, when this topic of food choices come up, it gets very wearisome to have to explain these obvious exceptions. It’s like having to say, every time Islamic fundamentalism comes up to have to throw in there – but not every Muslim…

With all due respect, no one here is taking away your tofu or telling you you can’t eat it. We’re not of the Micheal Bloomberg mindset.

Lastly, I can’t speak for others, but I am certainly not fearful in my food choices. I actually get aggravated and perturbed that the government, via their paternalistic laws and crony capitalism with agribusiness, make it very challenging (or unlawful in some places) to feed my family foods that have been nourishing us for a long time. Same goes for herbal medicines.

I see food as a wonderful adventure to enjoy, partnering with G-D stewarding over His Creation and cooperating with bacteria and microorganisms created by Him to either produce food in the ground, co-create an even healthier product and breakdown a plant’s natural protective shell or make something good even better by traditional preservation methods. My burden is to teach my children not to consume the SAD and to be able to feed and produce food for themselves and their families should they need to and not be dependent upon grocery stores and government and that’s the kind of burden that is as it should be, IMO.

Blessings

…don’t forget power and control, too, which are equal motivators. Some by people who really think they are superior to make these decisions for us (for our own good, of course) so they therefore must control us and for others it’s more basic greed and control.

Government and business combined together is a dangerous monopoly. That’s not capitalism, it’s crony-capitalism and hard to break apart.

Petitemom, I also attended a GMO lecture recently and I’m thinking it was the same speaker, based on some of your comments. Did they talk about the film, ”Genetic Roulette”?

At the talk I attended, someone in the audience asked about Trader Joe’s. The response was that TJ’s has in their contract that suppliers should not use GMOs for the TJ’s branded items. Thus, they tell customers that their TJ’s brand is non-GMO. However, as far as anyone can tell, they don’t enforce that rule. TJ’s is notoriously vague about their sources. The conclusion was to assume they are GMO until TJ’s decided to sign up for the non-GMO label…and encourage them to do so!

Hope that helps! I’d love to see more movement on this issue. We deserve to know what is in the food we give to our children so we can make our own informed consumer decisions.