new CM;Older Girls, Need to Buy Books: Direction?

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  • I have been homeschooling since 1985  and would love to try SCM. I have a  12 & 14 yr. old left  to  homeschool and was wondering where to start. I am really struggling what and where to start them.  I would love to start in 2 wks I have been looking at SCM for yrs but was confused so I never persued. I am now ready. I ask for 2 things !st. prayer and 2nd someone to guide me.

    They have not been schooled with texts or workbooks and have read a lot.

    12yr.old can orally narratedetailed and needs work on written narrations. She love to write her stories.

    14yr. old struggles with oral narration..not able to remember what read and communicate it. She struggles getting her thoughts on paper.  Her handwriting is very nice though.

    I need to get them going or a jump start with a plan or schedule without gaps. Help?

    Oral & written narrations, dictation

    When do I begin grammar and can it be this year or should we do a full year of the other first? We homeschool yr. round 4 day’s a week with some breaks. A plan or schedule with the narrations…how long to do oral narration before going to written and how long before dictation remembering that they are older and then when to bring in grammar?

    Thanks

    Cyndi

    Sonya Shafer
    Moderator

    If you haven’t already, Cyndi, take a look at the SCM Curriculum Guide to see what we recommend in each subject for each grade. Be sure to click on the underlined text to see details and book titles.

    Since you asked mainly about language arts areas, let’s start with those. You’ll want to cover

    • good literature (which you’re already reading in other subjects anyway, so that’s covered),
    • narration (both oral and written),
    • prepared dictation (for spelling), 
    • poetry,
    • Shakespeare,
    • English grammar.

    Now based on your descriptions of the girls, both here and on other threads, here are some specifics I would suggest for them.

    Both

    • Poetry: Select a poet and read aloud his poetry. Don’t worry about analyzing, just enjoy the use of words and get familiar with his style. Stay on the same poet for at least 6-12 weeks. You can read one poem a week or several. That’s up to you. Don’t make this subject hard; it isn’t. Smile
    • Shakespeare: If you want to, select a play and study it together using the 3 simple steps outlined in this article in our language arts series. (In fact, that whole series on Language Arts might be helpful.) Don’t feel badly, though, if you want to skip this subject this year while you’re making the transition and getting comfortable. You can always add it once you get things settled in.
    • Grammar: Based on your description of the two girls’ comfort-zones with words, I would suggest you use Our Mother Tongue with both of them this year. Then you can transition into Analytical Grammar next year.
    • If you want to encourage both girls in their reading (and keep up their handwriting skills too), you might let each pick out a beautiful blank journal that will become their Book of Mottoes. As they read the good literature that you will suggest for them, they can copy quotes and thoughts that they especially like from their reading. 

    Your 12yo

    • Narration: Continue with some oral narration, but encourage the transition to more written narrations. Choose one or two technical aspects about her writing to help her improve. Talk about that aspect and work together to correct it in future narrations. Once she has mastered that aspect, move on to another one. You might also challenge her to write her narration in poetry form once in a while, just for fun. And don’t overlook encouraging her to write her narrations in a variety of styles. You’ll find some ideas for keeping narration creative and interesting in this Narration Ideas list.
    • Dictation: Since she seems to already have a good start on the habit of looking at how words are spelled as she reads, you could easily start her in Spelling Wisdom, Book 2. Do two exercises per week.

    Your 14yo

    • Narration: Encourage her to give an oral narration on a smaller section of reading to encourage and build this skill. As she gains confidence in oral narration, you can make the transition to written narration in baby steps. For example, one idea would be to have her start narrating orally and you write or type what she says. When she gets close to the end, you stop recording her words and have her finish the written narration. Maybe you will begin this process by having her write only the last one or two sentences. But as she gets used to that, you can stop sooner and have her write more until gradually she will be writing the whole thing. As with your other daughter, once she gets comfortable putting her words on paper, you can start helping her to improve one aspect at a time.
    • Dictation: In order to build her confidence with spelling, you might want to start her in Book 1. Be sure to do the girls’ dictation lessons on different days of the week to discourage any comparison/competition. If you think your 14yo might find it disturbing that her little sister is in Book 2, go ahead and use Book 2 for both. But you might allow your 14yo more time to study, and therefore do only one exercise per week.

    Okay, that should get you going on language arts. Do you need direction in any other subjects?

    Doug Smith
    Keymaster

    @Cyndi, I just wanted to let you know that I removed your other two duplicate posts. You’ll get better answers and discussion if you keep it all in one place. 🙂

    Thank you so MUCH!

    Yes…two things for history and one for Bible.

    There is a bible study to go with Module 1. I would like them to learn How to Study the Bible too? What do you recommend we doing?

    Also I need something that will draw them to speak to their heart (His Love) and not through knowledge but to show them Himself through His Word not just “head” knowledge. His plan through His people through the ages and His love for them which is shown so much from the “cross” on and  from the church age on, when given the Holy Spirit as our helper, and his mercy for the Isrealites.  I need a devotional study bridging the gap. Once this is foundation, this will give them the motivation to learn. When I came to know the Lord  at age 19 (His love entered the picture), that is when I wanted to learn. Nothing else made sense and I didn’t remember anything.

    Do you think 106 Days Creation would be too young for them? Idea’s for Nature Study for older kids? I’m sorry, but I ask on the boards and so many have “young ones”.

    Thank you

    Cyndi

     

    sheraz
    Participant

    Cyndi, I would go for the LA program set out by Sonya.  =)  She knows what she’s talking about. 

    Here is a link for a site that gives you a weekly nature study challenge.  She uses the Anna Comstock’s Handbook of Nature Study.  This would be a great fit for you as it would take the stress off you while you are setting the routine with the LA and history portions.   http://handbookofnaturestudy.blogspot.com/

    We’ve talked a bit about history, but not sure about the Bible study so can’t for answer that one.  =)

    Sheila

    suzukimom
    Participant

    Although written showing things done with younger kids, I love the example of “Pocketful of Pinecones” by Karen Andreola for a sample of how easy nature study can be (although the mom in the fictional story knows a lot more about nature than I do….)  

    Doug…thanks for the heads up on this. I wasn’t sure where to post and then decided that it was important enough that I just needed to PM Sonya. I will be more careful. Sorry about that.

    Not concerning order but history schedule.

    A history schedule where I could get all of the Modules in for the 14 and 12yr old? 

    I heard that the spine from Notgrass is VERY detail for US history and I don’t think we will do this so I probably wont get this Module which is 5&6? Are there other options?

    By the way, if I had my books to prove it, I would nominate you for those rewards! I can tell from the samples etc. I will be able to take off and fly.

    Thanks

    Cyndi

    Forgot to ask if Nature Study is to young? for them. I was going to get a Fullbright book and some biographies of scientists. They do like birds, flowers, animals in general, plants etc. They don’t like insects, even the cute ones such as “jack”. I tried to read some of it to them and they weren’t a bit interested but they LOVED Girl of the Limberlost and so I need more books like that.

    By the way, Sonya, my husband has read some of your material and he says it is so…well organized like a professor he had in school who made it easy to understand. Coming from him I sold!

    Thanks

    A history schedule where I could get all of the Modules in for the 14 and 12yr old? 

    I heard that the spine from Notgrass is VERY detail for US history and I don’t think we will do this so I probably wont get this Module which is 5&6? Are there other options?

    By the way, if I had my books to prove it, I would nominate you for those rewards! I can tell from the samples etc. I will be able to take off and fly.

     Forgot to ask if Nature Study is to young? for them. I was going to get a Fullbright book and some biographies of scientists. They do like birds, flowers, animals in general, plants etc. They don’t like insects, even the cute ones such as “jack”. I tried to read some of it to them and they weren’t a bit interested but they LOVED Girl of the Limberlost and so I need more books like that.

    By the way, Sonya, my husband has read some of your material and he says it is so…well organized like a professor he had in school who made it easy to understand. Coming from him I sold!

    Sonya Shafer
    Moderator

    A history schedule where I could get all of the Modules in for the 14 and 12yr old?

    Looks like you want to cover history in four years then. There have been several discussions about ideas for doing that. The two that seem to bubble to the top most often are either (1) doing Beautiful Feet’s ancients study, in order to cover the time periods in modules 1-3, then picking up with SCM module 4-6, or (2) trying to cover modules 1 & 2 in a year, then 3 & 4 in a year, and finishing with 5 and 6 as usual.

    Some notes on those choices to help you make your decision: Beautiful Feet’s study uses many of the same books we recommend for the world history, but it doesn’t cover the Bible history like we do. So you would need to determine whether you want to try to add that yourself or just do something else for Bible. The other thing to note is that modules 1-3 are a lighter work load than modules 4-6. So while it might not be too hard to get through everything in modules 1 & 2, combining 3 & 4 in a year may be a bit heavy. 

     Forgot to ask if Nature Study is to young? for them.

    Nature study is for all ages. See if you can get your hands on a copy of The Country Diary of an Edwardian Lady at your local library. It will give you an example of what a nature notebook can look like for an adult. Definitely not childish. (And don’t forget that getting girls outside can really help with raging hormones and emotions. Something about God’s nature just helps the body and spirit to reset.)

    they LOVED Girl of the Limberlost and so I need more books like that.

    Have you looked at the other recommended living science books on the curriculum guide? It lists several biographies that might give you some ideas for those. You might also see if your local library has other Gene Stratton-Porter books.

    By the way, Sonya, my husband has read some of your material and he says it is so…well organized like a professor he had in school who made it easy to understand. Coming from him I sold!

    Please tell your husband Thank you for the encouragement!

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