need to feel confident in CM science

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  • Corrine
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    Ladies, how are all of you? I am needing some help in feeling confident in teaching science the CM way. In the Fall, I will have a 4th grade DD and a 1st grade DS. I LOVE, LOVE the living books and I sooo want to feel that it is enough to teach my children that way until they are in the upper grades for science. I am running into some internal issues though :-(. 1) I feel that they need more of that physical science ie. weather/body system/stars & solar system…. I was given AIG to look at and see if I want to use that for next year, but I’m not to crazy that it’s not a living book. But I feel conflicted because I want them to know that stuff besides just nature science. At the same time, I am wondering if I ONLY use living books for science and then make the jump to some textbook in the upper years (7th grade ?) will they be lost because they have not had that ‘science language’ or will the work that they will have to do be more difficult than the living science books and they will be overwhelmed? I’m not sure if something like AIG would be good because would it be an intermediate to an introduction to the ‘science language’ and not be a huge jump when they need to be in the upper grade science books (whatever those may be)?

    But then I am reading posts about doing living science books and I am clueless as to where to get good living books and then on what subject??

    The other problem I encounter (and if anyone has any helpful tips, I would LOVE to hear them!) is that if I have a curriculum I am good to go as far as sticking to the schedule. However, if I have nothing to be ‘accountable’ to ie I make my own themed science out of books I have around the house or whatever, I have a more easier time letting that slide because I’m not ‘accountable’ to it where I must keep on a schedule for me to finish up at the end of the year. I’ve tried the theme stuff, I’ve tried writing it in my planner and writing in when to go to the library to get the new groupings of books….fail, fail, everytime :-(.

    So, I guess I really want to so science the CM way, we all enjoy it more, I just don’t feel confident that the kids will learn what they need to know because I have no concept list that tells me what they need to know when. That’s not exaclty what I mean, I just don’t want to miss something and I may not think of it if a book doesn’t tell me I need to teach it. Does that make sense?

    Looking for your wonderful encouragment for CM science :-).

    4my4kids
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    I would highly recommend SCM’s 106 days of Creation. My children at that age soaked everything up. They can still tell me what part of their tongue is how you taste sweet, sour, etc.

    I understand completely about being concerned about what your kids need to know. I still struggle with that everyday in fact. But let me reassure you that my kids have learned lots of things from reading living books in science. The Thornton W. Burgess books are entertaining I think for any age. After we read a chapter of one of these books I simply ask for character traits of the animals that they heard/read about today. If you want, to keep you more accountable, you could even create a log of what animals you read about and write their character traits with them.

    But again if you want something for them to study other than animals try the 106 Days of Creation. My opinion, wonderful! I plan to repeat it next year with my older and younger kids. Also something fun is the book 100 science experiments (which if I recall correctly 106 DOC uses).

    psreitmom
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    I am planning to use AIG Green set with my 11yo daughter this fall. I too struggle with wondering if I am covering what is needed. I am all for living books. I’ve decided on AIG just to have some kind of guide. The lessons are very short and there is an activity to go along with it. I thought if there is a topic that I would like to spend more time on, hopefully I can find some living library books on those topics. Someone told me that you can take any curriculum and make it CM. That is what I aim to do with AIG. In science, I think there would be some topics where living books may be hard to find. That is when hands-on/experiments come into play. So, whether you use SCM, AIG, or any other ‘guide’, your science can be living.  

    Corrine
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    Thanks 4my4kids. I did use 106 Days when my DD was younger as well as the Thornton W. Burgess books and we really enjoyed all of them! I guess I am trying to find something that will work for my 4th grader while hoping that my 1st grader will also understand :-). Is 106 Days good for a 4th grader as well?

    Corrine
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    Thank you Psreitmom, that was another thought that crossed my mind. To use AIG (we would be using the same set you have) and then incorporating living books. That is just more work on my part, which is fine, just more work to try to find all these living books in addition to AIG. But agree, a guide is what I need or just something to tell me what to cover each year.

    Jessica
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    You could cover these categories in rotation using living books: General Science, Physical Science, Biology, Chemistry, Physics, Human Body. This is the path that I am going to take with my children. We will be using the books suggested on this site under living science books as well as Apologia’s books that are written by Fulbright, Tiner’s books on various science subjects, and some random books from AIG… not the curriculum sets. It took me a while to feel confident in my decision, but after receiving some of the books in the mail I am so glad I trusted in God and took the plunge!! Children will have gaps no matter what. Do you remember all you read in as many text books? I don’t so I figure why not instill a love of learning in my children.

    cdm2kk
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    I am using beautiful feet Science guide this year, which basically goes through inventors and I am also adding Jack’s Insects. Beautiful Feet is a charlotte mason style and it includes journals etc. I have a 3rd& 4th grader.

    Corrine
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    Jessalee, I see on SCM the books she suggests under General Science, Physical Science….. but how do you know the age appropriateness for them? Would these books be good for a 1st and 4th grader or would they be over the 1st graders head?

    Corrine
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    Thanks Cdm, I will also take a look at Jack’s insects. Do you think that would be too much for a 1st grader to understand? Do you think I could give my 4th grader Jack’s Insects to do independently and then just do something more age level for my 1st grader?

    Claire
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    I brought my kids home in 2nd and 4th grades.  I sketched out areas of Science I wanted to cover each term (usually 3 per year) and then I gathered materials (all free) and wrote a lesson plan term by term.  Nothing too detailed … just what I wanted to cover that day and the list of resources I’d use.  Readings from various books living and otherwise (my children hated living Science books, the story detracted from the Science and that drove them nuts) followed with experiments or some type of hands on exploration.  That’s how we did Science until we hit 6th grade. 

    Then we turned to a more formal study with memorization and quizes as well as what is normally accepted as CM – single readings, narrations, hands on experiments and explorations.  Lesson time for Science increased dramatically from maybe 25 minutes to an hour+ each lesson.  I might have done that a little more smoothly if I had the chance again. And we have gone from those hour + lessons to shorter daily lessons now too.  Which I think is very CM and works better.

    But serious Science study can’t start soon enough!  I don’t have kids going in to Science fields – most likely – and so the scope with which I cover it may be the only time they have with it.  As a Liberal Arts major you’ll only be required to take a Biology and one other “lighter” Science like Geology, Ecology, Astronomy to meet your degree requirements at most colleges.  I’d like them to come away with at least a solid understanding of the basics of the major areas of Science.

    wbbeachbum
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    With my younger kids, we added in Apologia Elementary Science around 4th/5th grade. I let the kids pick the books they want to complete, and we continue Nature study and Living Science books. 

    My 12yo, who will start Apologia General in August, completed Astronomy and the Chemistry portion of the Chem/Physics book. We also di a semester of A&P around age 11.

    My rising 4th grader  has chosen one of the Zoology books for next year. She participated in some aspects of the Apologia books in previous years, but I didn’t require her to do oral narrations as a 2nd/3rd grader from the Apologia books. She mostly listened in and participated in experiments.

    My older kids did nature study, living books with some Usborne-type experiment books each year and both were ready to start Apologia General as 7th graders.

     

    Tristan
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    A living book does not have to be a ‘story book’.  When I think of science living books there are some story books, yes, but there are also wonderful nonfiction books with a passionate, knowledgeable author who shares his love of the topic at hand.  For example, my kids have loved The Beetle Book by Steve Jenkins as well as his book Bones: Skeletons and How they Work.  I have one who has loved the Amazing Science: Simple Machines series by Michael Dahl with titles like Roll, Slope, and Slide.  They have loved books about stargazing, field guides for weather, and more. 

    The Magic School Bus books have also been one my children like, though some may think them twaddle.  It’s up to your family.  We do talk about the evolution/old earth bias in the ones it comes up in.

    We love the Apologia Elementary series, often my children take those to quiet time to read and explore. There are many different possibilities! 

    This fall we’re doing AIG God’s Design for Science for the 7 younger children (blue books on space, earth, weather, and water). We’re using it like we would use a history spine – a guide to nudge us along the path of exploration.  We’ll add living books as desired and get outside for things like stargazing, exploring local bodies of water, etc. 

    I hope that helps you see another possibility! 

    sarah2106
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    My kids (now 8 & 6) really enjoyed Apologia last year. I agree living does not have to be story book style. They are excited to start again this year. I often find them flipping through it for fun reading too

    Claire
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    Storybook of Science, I Wonder Why, I Wonder How, Jack’s Insects, Parables from Nature, Wild Animals I Have Known …. mine didn’t like these at all.  That’s what I’m meaning when I mention living Science books.  If they wanted to know about a wolf then they wanted to really know about a wolf – details, taxonomy, pictures to study, videos to see, a wolf they could watch in person, etc.  Not a story of a man’s encounter with a wolf even if (and these books do) it did relay a great deal of detail within the story line.  I think it’s just a personal preference. I thought these books looked great … I bought them all and here they sit on the shelf almost untouched! 

    After about a year or so home I didn’t have any more luck with any type of formal Nature Study either with my kids.  They are wildly observant of nature and they spend a lot of time in it.  They have the curiousity to seek out answers from me or field guides when they encounter something new.  They love to explore.  They are adventurers.  But as far as translating that in to our formal lessons in the form of a Nature Study table and journals and such …. we just didn’t keep up that practice as they grew.  I wish we had because it LOOKS so pretty and tidy and delightful but maybe that is a really bad reason for wanting it!  Obviously they’ve got the meat of what matters in my mind – curiosity, respect, inquisitiveness.

    I think this is sort of the debate going on in several posts right now regarding science.

    I think journals and diaries by scientists are great.  We’ve loved those.  First hand accounts of scientists’ work … we’ve loved those too.  I WISH there were a great list of only those types of books somewhere.  And that that list contained all the great travel journals too for Geography. 

    Jessica
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    There is a book list for younger children as well. Go to the tab the says “Plan CM”, then “free curriculum guide”, then click the first link “Explore on Your Own”, then scroll down and click the link on the left that says ” Science”, and lastly click on any of the links that say ” Living Science Books”. You will find a wonderful list there. I would like to tell you that most of the books for the younger students can be found online at google or internet archive for free. This works wonderful if you have an ereader. Also, at those ages it is beneficial to read to/with your child. These are not reading lessons. Until they have mastered reading for content it is best to read with them or take turns as the goal for science, history, literature is that they enjoy and learn from the book. 🙂  My two cents.

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