When I homeschooled my oldest children we used mostly a traditional textbook approach because that was all I knew about 20 years ago. Now I try to use more of a CM approach, but I feel very overwhelmed with the amount of “me” that is needed. My younger children also have more learning difficulties so that adds to it. I feel like I’m really struggling to find a balance between using curriculum that is CM and that we like and still being able to keep up with it all. It seems to take lots of time and when I used a textbook approach with my oldest five, we were usually able to be done by early afternoon even though we didn’t enjoy it nearly as much. I have ten children and even though the oldest are grown, those relationships still take my time, kwim? So, for those of you with large families, what are your time-saver curriculum choices?
I do understand the need to streamline with a large family! For me, moving to a CM model of education has been the thing that brought the simplicity we needed to make things work in my large family. But that is a very general answer and for that reason not very helpful…
So maybe you could specify which ages, and which areas of study, are your most problematic?
I don’t have that many kids and my oldest is in K and I’m struggling with the same concept. I bought a very CM friendly math program and completely hate it. I need something that’s open and go. I don’t have the mental stamina with this many little guys and being pregnant to be extra creative.
I’m a firm believer that, when it comes to homeschooling, you have to do what works for everyone. It’s not worth picking the very, very best curriculum if it’s going to burn you out and you end up giving up.
Is it specific subjects that are a problem for you or is it the whole approach?
You know I think it’s mostly the math and LA that are being time intensive. We do Bible and history mostly together and then divide science into two age groups. Those subjects are all going quite well. It seems though as if each child needs individual time for both math and LA and they all struggle somewhat, so that’s ten individual things that I need to do and that (along with other family needs) is just draining me. So, for a most specific question….. How do you think I can streamline math and LA to make it less dependent on me?
Thanks for your replies so far. I guess that mostly I just need to vent.
What I’m doing for math is teaching a new lesson to each level on a different day of the week. We use Math U See so there is one new lesson and then the kids work on practice pages until they’re ready for the test. I’m not involved in the practice unless they bring a specific problem to me. The other nice part of MUS is there is a DVD teaching the lessons to the parent, but older children could easily watch it themselves to try the lesson and then get you if they need help.
So at my house it looks like this generally:
I teach a lesson on Monday to my 11 year old (MUS Delta)while kids on other levels are either doing a practice page or their test.
On Tuesday I’ll teach the two kids using the Alpha level their lesson together. Oldest and younger would be doing practice pages or a test this day.
On Wednesday I’ll teach the new lesson to the youngest who is doing math (Primer level) and the others work on their own unless they need help with a specific problem.
In real life the new lesson day varies because some weeks the kids take all week before they take a test, or even closer to two weeks before they’re ready for the test, and other times they’re ready in two days.
We also do table time once each day, everyone is at the table and working quietly and I can rotate around to help individuals as needed. The three littles ones (3, 1, and 6 mos) learn to play at the table during table time.
For language arts, what are you doing? I guess with my oldest being just 6th grade language arts here is pretty basic. The younger ones do copywork for 5 minutes. They write a story or letter once a week (3-5 sentences, they’re 2nd and under) and then share it with me. The 6th grader writes a longer story or letter once a week and we polish one up every other week (editing process/practice). The younger ones do phonics/learning to read daily for 5-15 minutes each. If it’s a game we do it together, if it’s reading aloud to someone they read to me. Spelling is hit or miss here. When we are doing it we go over a rule together and then I have cards with each child’s words for that rule. We practice spelling bee style so I can rotate through all the kids and just use cards from their pile. Again, quick and easy.
I know I’ve got a ways to go to reach where you are with so many students. My seven are 11, 7, 6, 4, 3, 1, and 6mos. This is what works for us, and I try to encourage them to work independently where possible, or around the table so I can rotate through and help. It goes more or less smoothly depending on the day. 😉
jeaninpa, we are using MUS for our math instruction, and I run my week almost exactly the same way Tristan described. One of the reasons I really love MUS is that there is not a new lesson every day. Even with several kids at several different levels of MUS (we had 5 levels going this last year plus a toddler and a baby in the mix), it is manageable.
We have a spot in our schedule early in the day, when everyone’s mind is still fresh, when all school age kids are doing math. I almost never have two kids who need a new lesson on the same day. It just hardly ever happens. If it does, then one of the kids gets their lesson that day and the other one spends some extra time on a math game or working on some math drill, or getting in some extra playtime with the toddlers. But like I said, that rarely happens.
We do math year around so that I don’t have to re-teach concepts and so that it is not a problem if they miss a day now and then due to waiting for me to help them with something.
I do have one child who needs more than the average amount of help with math. He really struggles with it. I spend more time with him than the others. But in the end, MUS makes the whole thing doable for us.
I hear you! There is only so much of mom to go around. I have 4 kids…2 with special learning needs. It takes a lot of extra time one on one time and sometimes I feel like I am never doing enough to “move them forward”. I also added a part time job to the mix last year.
This is actually one of the reasons I landed at SCM. It will simplify things to keep history, goegraphy and Bible together. I also changed math programs for 2 of my kids. They are using teaching textbooks in hopes that it will free me up from teaching and grading their math. This will allow me more 1:1 time for the other 2 in math. While this might not be a very CM style math, I also know I have limits on my schedule and need something that can save me a little time. I have also chosen to have my 2 dds tutored in reading this year by a professional. It was something I was doing myself before. Turning over the reigns to someone else in this one area feels like a weight of my chest.
First, as far as language arts, I follow the free curriculum guide on this site really closely for all my kids. I’m careful to make sure that we are using short lessons. It does not take a lot of time and the kids do well with it. By that I mean that they enjoy it (mostly) and they are progressing all the time. The one thing that can sometimes get time intensive is when I have several kids who need to orally narrate their books to me at once, but that problem is solved by having several narrations over lunch. Doing it that way gives us something worthwhile to talk about anyway.
The other thing I wanted to ask you about is whether or not you are working towards your kids being independent in some or even several of their subjects. I think that with a lot of kids to teach, having olders who are pretty independent is so helpful. My older kids (about 4th grade through high school) read most of their own history and science and then do various forms of narrations. We keep a family read aloud going, usually science or history related, but I do not read aloud two or three different levels of different subjects. CM’s idea that the student needs to do their own work of learning from their books was a very freeing concept to me — and honestly I have been amazed at how well my kids have done with it.
I’m in awe of those of you with large families! I can’t speak from experience, as my oldest is just turning 7yo, but I was wondering if you could make use of your older children to help with the younger ones? For example, if 4 older children each spent 30 minutes with a younger sibling (reading aloud? dictating spelling words? drilling math facts? answering questions on a math assignment?), they could save you 2 hours. That way you are not taking too much of their time away, but would free yourself up quite a bit to help everyone more. Plus there’s the added bonus of the fact that the older children can learn quite a bit by teaching others, even if it’s at a level far beneath what they are doing in their own work. (For example a high schooler working on algebra can review and solidify pre-algebra skills by having to explain them to a sibling. Or a 6th grader can always benefit from reviewing phonics skills by teaching a 6 year old.)
On a related topic, make sure you are delegating everything you can in the household management area, if you haven’t already! If having older children help with school work wouldn’t work for your family, they can definitely help with other things. You could set up a buddy system so that one older child and one younger child work together to make a meal or do the laundry or sweep and mop the floors, etc. That way you can focus on school. With 10 children, you have quite the team. Even with my kids (7, 5, 4, 3, and 16 month old twins – some mine and some in my home daycare) I have the oldest 2 helping the little ones quite a bit.
I’m also in awe of you large families!!! I’m obviously not an expert, but my friend w/many children uses the Managers of Their Homes/Chores schedule, similar to what Joanne said. She schedules 15-30 min. blocks where everybody is doing something….one child working independently, one child w/mom, one older sibling working/playing w/a younger, etc. Her whole day is scheduled like that.
I like my kids to work as independently as possible. I have them reading on their own as much as possible. I use Copywork books from Queen’s, so it’s open and go. I use Writing Tales in 4th/5th and it’s pretty independent for LA (has copywork, narration, light grammar, voc. and spelling words from the fable passages). Don’t know if that helps any….
Everything we use for LA and Math is open and go. They do require teacher assistance, but it is very minimal. So here are some things you could check out if you’re not already familiar with them… Life of Fred math, Strayer Upton Math, Writing with Ease, Sequential Spelling, Fix It, Miquon Math, Ordinary Parents Guide to Teaching Reading. I just don’t have time for intense teacher prep and involvement. That is the main reason that I chose each of those curricula. Although there are other things that I would love to do, with the ages of my kids right now, they just won’t work for us.
Sometimes I do feel like I’m running an assembly line. I sit at the end of the table and say, “Who needs me?” and then I’ll do one thing wtih someone, then call the next kid over, then the next kid, etc. In between those lessons, I usually have a kid popping up saying, “I need to narrate” so we also do that mixed in there as well. And this usually lasts about an hour. The rest of their work is either group work or independent work. We use very short lessons with everything I’ve listed above so I can get through all five kids pretty quickly. They all have their work for the day listed on the board so they can do much of it independently.
I don’t have my older kids help the younger because I feel like I’m out of touch with what the kids are doing if I’m not doing it with them. And then errors just get glossed over and suddenly you find out you have to back up and relearn something. The only one they help is the 4 year old with his preschool Rod and Stuff books.
I sympathize…….and agree with others, sometimes you just can’t do EVERYTHING that is ideal :o) For me right now that looks like CM for most of our core and Right Start (teacher intensive) math but “compromising” and using an open and go type phonics programe. I love the idea of a more CM phonics but it was just too overwhelming for me to think about using this year. Where I choose to put my energy may shift from year to year but I am pretty convinced I will never be able to pull off all of the good stuff I’d like to use at once :o)
jeaninpa, I am kind of assuming you are in the state of PA? If so, just wondered where? (I am in East Central-close to Penn State University) As for your situation, I can only chime in to offer prayers and encouragement: You can do all things through Him that strengthens you! I was just wondering too if you are using the SCM family study handbooks for history/geog/bible-I would think this resource alone would be SO helpful to you with time! I am really looking forward to using these with all my children together as the years go by!
We have nine children: 14,13,11,8,7,6,4,2,6 months, so I do understand.
We use MathUSee, which I do not find too teacher intensive.
L.A. we do differently than I think CM would recommend, but we need to do what works here with time constraints. It looks a little different for each child. I like the Christian Light Readers with Reading workbooks (only a few, not all) for younger grades, then we do a year of Climbing to Good English around grade 3, a year of Easy Grammar around grade 4 or 5, JAG around grade 6-7 (they have dvd teaching now which I make use of if necessary), AG with dvd after. Jump In for writing around grade 8-9. That’s as far as we’ve gotten and it is working well; they seem literate enough and don’t despise L.A. 🙂
Don’t be afraid to do what works and keeps your stress levels down. I’m not.