Math U See Algebra question

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  • mom2fourboys
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    I know there are a lot of families on this forum who use Math U See. I am specifically looking for assistance with those using Algebra. My son is getting ready to start Algebra and I would like to know if the manipulatives at this point are really necessary. 

    I would love to hear from anyone has successfully used the program without the manipulatives at this level. I would also like to hear if anyone thinks that it would be more difficult for him to not use the blocks and decimal inserts. 

    Thanks, Tammy

    nebby
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    My ds did algebra last year. He didn’t use the manipulatives. Honestly I am not even sure where they would have been used in algebra. IMO such things are good for younger kids but higher math is by definition theoretical and if they can get it without the blocks, etc I see no reason to use them.

    Nebby

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    mom2fourboys
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    Thanks Nebby. Those were my thoughts too. My concern came when my son was trying to find the root of a number. He went back to look it up in an earlier lesson but Steve Demme only showed how to find the root of a number by using the blocks. I personally, think it is ridiculous for high schoolers to be using manipulatives, but I wanted to get some other opinions from those who have used Math U See to see what their thoughts were.

    Thanks,
    Tammy 

    gcbsmommy
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    My 15 year old twins used MUS Algebra 1 last year. Not knowing any better, I bought the manipulatives thinking they were instrumental. We never opened the box! You don’t need them and I can’t imagine anyone using them for this class, honestly.

    Kristina

    Bookworm
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    IT IS NOT RIDICULOUS FOR HIGH SCHOOLERS TO USE BLOCKS.  Algebra is NOT at all “all theoretical” but is very, very real.  Many concepts can be learned MUCH BETTER WITH BLOCKS.  For one example from my own life, when I was in algebra I had a very difficult time factoring polynomials.  I just had no idea what I was doing.  I really began to struggle in math from that point on.  In fact, since it was such a fundamental thing, and I needed that skill all the way through into calculus, I really suffered.  When I saw the MUS demo showing how to factor polynomials using blocks, and I understood what I had missed all this time, I was so worked up I wanted to sue my school district.  REALLY.  Do not cheat your kids here.  Some may easily get one or two concepts just fine without the manipulatives, but you never know what they might miss.  Even with your finding square roots–this is not an essential “skill” as skills go.  No biggie.  ALL our kids are going, in their adult lives, to use a calculator to find square roots.  BUT your child is learning a conceptual context by playing with doing it in a small way with blocks, and they stand a better chance of really understanding what is going on underneath.  Guys, I’ve been through upper level math all the way into graduate calculus and statistics, and am currently taking my 3rd son through algebra.  My older 2 blew the math SAT out of the water.  I”m just saying this to contradict the idea that smart high school kids never need visual aids to understand math concepts.  NOT TRUE.  If I could have had MUS methods in graduate calculus I’d have been sooooooooooo much happier!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!  OK, enough emphasis there???? Mr. Demme has taught even many, many more students than I have. He has a lot of experience, and he knows this helps kids!!!!!!!!!!!!!Your kids could very well not completely understand a concept and it could come back to haunt them later.  It takes MINUTES to demonstrate and work with the manipulatives.  It is simple and easy to do.  And it has great benefits.  Guys, I”m afraid you are missing the whole point of MUS here.  I have to confess, I think if Charlotte would have had a way to visually demonstrate and understand more complex concepts she’d have jumped on it!  If you all can’t imagine anyone using them to teach important concepts like factoring polynomials, then you all are not catching the vision here of MUS.  I know I’m not the only person who has had the above experience in factoring binomials–I find such people ALL THE TIME.  ALL THE TIME. I’ve actually shown an adult friend of mine how to do it with blocks and he managed his college algebra class better.  Don’t reject this important tool out of hand just because your kids are high schoolers.  This is silly.  If you dont’ want deeper understanding of concepts, use Saxon.  🙂  If you have given your kids the great gift of MUS, don’t leave the batteries in the box.  🙂  USE THEM.

    jeaninpa
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    Thanks, Bookworm.  This was a help to me.

    mom2fourboys
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    (Bookworm) – Thank you for your very passionate response. My intentions were not to offend you by stating that I think it is ridiculous for high schoolers to use manipulatives.

    I too, was schooled through the public school system and this concept would have been laughed out of the school. Even though I have homeschooled my boys for years, I guess there are still certain “thought processes” that are hard to see in a new light once they are instilled after years of public school.  I can easily see the benefit that the blocks bring in the lower level courses, I just wasn’t seeing it as easily in the upper levels. The reason I originally posted the question was due to my son stating that he didn’t want to become reliant on the blocks to figure concepts because he was not going to carry a set of blocks and decimal inserts in his pockets at college. 

    Sorry again if i offended you. 

    Bookworm
    Participant

    No, it’s no offense—I just dont’ think it’s true!  And wanted to state that.  Now, does your son still carry around blocks to do addition?  No, of course not.  So why would he need to take algebra inserts to college?  Once he “gets” the basic concept and practices, he’ll no longer need the blocks.  And he’ll figure square roots with a calculator like the entire adult population.  He’ll no more become reliant on the manipulatives NOW than he did the ones when he was young.  The nature of manipulatives does not suddenly change when one becomes 14.  🙂  They are still useful until you understand thoroughly, and then they cease to be and one ceases using them.  Just as has happened with addition, multiplication, division, fractions, percents . . . .

    gcbsmommy
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    I wish if they were so helpful in MUS that Steve Demme would take time in his videos to show how to use them most effectively. I am not a math wizard and so their useful applications did not really come to mind as we weathered the course last year. I only vaguely remember him using them in one of the first lessons now that I think of it – and it wasn’t something we thought we needed to replicate as it was a simple concept as I recall… this is almost a year ago, but it is what I recall.

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