Math. How do I help my ds??

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  • my3boys
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    This is an area we have been struggling in for a long time.  I think we have made progress only to realize that the very basics (or I feel are basic) are completely abstract to him.  Even life applications or charades just confuse the issue more.

    Basic questions like: what is 1/2 of 30?? And the way he tries to do figure it out completely boggles my mind. What is 1/2 of 50?? Skip counting by 6 and getting to 30 and having the most difficult time w/ getting to 36, which to me would/should be the easiest, is causing him to count up, or something, not sure. 

    I think that for him there is so much going on in a math problem that it is all just too much.  I think that to remember the order of operation, the sum of 2 numbers, the whole thing is just too much.  To help him through a multi-digit multiplication problem is mind-numbing to me.  I know there a lot of steps, but it’s the steps within the steps that he cannot do that make me bonkers. Like: multiplying 3×3 and having to add another # that was carried from the previous facts confuses him or he has a hard time adding the #. 

    I don’t even know what to do anymore.  We have started over w/ basic place value (that I think he has down, can explain it to me) and base 10 facts.  He can say those rather quickly, BUT, in put those in a problem he has such a difficult time. 

    We are using MUS and he does the work well, usually 100% on tests, but that’s how it was in his previous text.  Within the text he does fine, outside of it, not so much.  I’m assuming it’s because he really doesn’t know the material or is just doing what he knows to do but unable to apply it to anything else. I have some ideas I’ve I found like: games (which we already do), online drills (which he already does and usually does well with), life applications, etc.  But I am just lost as to how to help him. 

    I don’t even know if I am explaining myself clearly…it seems he knows but doesn’t know.  Maybe I’m just expecting too much or haven’t built him a strong a foundation as I thought??

    Any thoughts?? 

    I don’t really need a new curriculum to explain things differently to him, that is all too much for him. Copying doesn’t seem to help, either. He just doesn’t have the memory for math (it seems) like someone w/ dyslexia might have w/ letters/words).  I’m wondering if he is ever going to be able to do basic math w/ confidence and have a memory for basic math facts? 

    missceegee
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    Have you read about dyscalculia (sp)? It’s a ld similar to dyslexia but with math and numbers. I’m certain my dd12 has a mild form. We’re plugging along but it’s sometimes slow going.

    my3boys
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    I will check into it. 

    His sweet little face looks like he’s trying so hard to just remember.  He tells me things like, “I should remember this, I should know this.” Or, he asks if he should know something, and usually, yes, he should. He is starting to say he is stupid.  I try to not make out like I think that, because I don’t, but when he cannot remember basics it makes it so hard.  It’s like someone who cannot remember sound pictures/letters. He even has a hard time w/ before/after concepts. 

    Thanks for letting me share my concerns.

    sheraz
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    Someone sent me this link a while ago, I haven’t had time to study it in depth. But it talks about dyscalculia and how to recognize it, help the person, etc…  Maybe you could find something in it.

    http://www.bonnieterry.com/blog/index.php/2011/05/dyscalculia-math-disability-or-math-problems-what-is-it-and-what-do-you-do-about-it/#

    Richele Baburina
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    Hi my3boys,

    What you describe sounds so familiar to me – in fact, my experience with my children is what led me to research in-depth Charlotte’s methods regarding arithmetic and mathematics. I am pm-ing you in the thought that maybe we can schedule in a 30-minute call. This is also a link for you to look at – let me know if this sounds like your ds.

    All my best,

    Richele

    Misty
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    my3boys – I feel like I could have writen that myself.  I have asked many questions on here about ways to get my son to “retain” what we’ve learned.  It’s so hard for him to remember things and have it stick.  If he does get a new concept it’s like the old one is lost.  My son will sit and think and think and it’s like the light will not turn on.  He calls himself stupid and dumb on a weekly basis.  It’s sad and fustrating.  He is in 7th grade and we are just now geting to fractions in MUS.  And we have been stuck on lessons 8-12 for over a month.  Repetition doesn’t seem to help, though he keeps trying.  Please let me know if you find any bright light.  Richele, I will read your information also.

    chocodog
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    my dd also struggles with marth ect… she seems to have little memory at all. she will forget even the littlest of things. i sympathize with you.  i can not imagine what will happen when we get to your level.  many hugs to you!

    my3boys
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    I’m still doing some research and am looking forward to some help from an “expert” in CM math, but I’d like to share what I’ve come up with so far and see if it makes sense.  Plus, I thought this may help others who have similar questions about their children, in particular, when it comes to math.

    As I have been scouring the internet looking for my son within in the descriptions (and reading an article sent to me), I found some interesting information about visual/visual-spatial learners.  I went to one site, that led me to another, and so on…and on one of them it actually mentioned Charlotte Mason’s method as being a great fit for these learners (and it had a link to this site, I believe)…so yeah, I’m already on the right track!!! 

    And as I have been doing all this reading I felt the Lord lay on my heart/place in my head the idea that: Within the CM method we use Picture study (memorizing a “picture” by looking at it closely, really looking at it, then describing what we see, how the subjects may feel, etc.), Narrations by drawing pictures, then sharing what was drawn, Spelling by closely paying attention to the “picture” of how a word is spelled (picturing it in our mind’s eye), Nature study by observing, drawing pictures (detailed pictures), skits, hands on activities, etc. The list goes on and on of all of what CM wanted the children to see, feel, experience, draw, form relations with, etc.  I know this but (this is the part that the Lord shared w/ me)….I never thought of using those same ideas when it came to math for my ds who is incredibly visual.  It never occured to me that he would benefit from illustrations, acting out a problem, manipulatives (in a big way!) and so on.  I figured because he is visual that just seeing the numbers/problems on the paper was “seeing” them.  He “sees” a foreign language (almost) when he sees the numbers, he has not formed a relation to them like he has with his characters/drawings, even words, like poetry (which he loves because it’s “bouncy”). 

    I hope this is making sense.  I just felt that I needed to share what I thought about math and why this method (CM) is so good for almost any child.  But, since I have not been applying the same techniques in regards to math (except for short lessons and some manipulatives) my ds has not benefitted.

    I’m still researching and have not come to a concrete conclusion (which is hard when we are self-diagnosingLaughing), but I’m excited to see what we come up with. 

    Oh, as I was doing some research and asking my ds some questions, he shared with me how dependent he is on pictures and how he pictures all of his readings (and dramatizes everything).  But he also shared how he felt as if he were “cheating” because he needed the visuals to help him understand what we were reading, to be able to picture the scene (words are just not enough). He felt as if he should have to do what others do, just have it read to them and answer/narrate.  Can you believe that???  A child feeling as if he were cheating and not wanting to say that he just doesn’t understand without the pictures. OR, just simply needs more time to “picture” it in his mind’s eye.

    Sorry this is so long.  I have a long way to go in learning more about how my ds learns but I’m hoping I’m on the right track and that this may help others.

    sheraz
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    Love that “picture” the math idea, my3boys.  I can see how that would totally benefit my child, too… I think that you are on to something with that!

    psreitmom
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    You have my attention too!

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