Math for struggling learner

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  • Misty
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    I am wondering what a good self-paced math would be for a struggling learner?  I am looking at PACES by Aces because of the simple format, low number of problems a day and the simple look of it.  It seems basic, but is there something else out there?

    My son is 16, has no known issues, but when it comes to math his brain just doesn’t get it or keep it.  So he is still doing the basics daily (+, -, /, x & fractions).  If we skip a day or move on to something bigger he seems to truly loose all the basics.  He is a bright kid other wise.  I am looking for something he could see the ‘why’s’ of math.  Something that would put it into perspective. Like real life living using math.  We’ve been working on using a checkbook for about 2 months now.  Problem is if you get one wrong the rest are wrong. Then he gets frustrated.  Thoughts? Suggestions??  Thanks

    Misty

    4myboys
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    Your son sounds like mine.  After 3 years we’ve finally managed to get past fractions.  We started with the Key to series this year.  This provides lots of reinforcement on a given topic, so we wouldn’t always do every problem.  I will usually assign about half the page and then if he gets any wrong we go over it again and he does a few more to show that he gets it.  I will take some of the problems not done to use as review occasionally in the following weeks as we move on to different concepts.  At least 3 times a week we’ll do a few review questions as a warm up before getting really into it.  I specifically throw subtraction with regrouping and fraction problems into the mix as those are the things he struggles with the most.

    Though somewhat familiar with Paces, I can’t speak for the math as I’ve never used it.  If you do the online placement test it will show you which paces to use to cover gaps and then where to pick up from.  When we did the placement it said to start him halfway through third grade.  The booklets are pretty juvenile looking, so I didn’t think my then 14 year old would be too impressed with that.  Key To books are directed to the older student, but they are topical for a mastery approach.  There is not really any review.  For example, you won’t really find fraction review in the decimals books, so if your son requires more review you will need to find another way to provide it.  I will be watching to see what others recommend in terms of “Real World” math options.

    Wings2fly
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    I have used Math Mammoth blue units, which are topical, to supplement my 12 yo son in his CLE Sunrise math when he gets stuck on a topic.  I noticed they have a unit series on real world math too, but we have not used it yet.  There are free samples on their web page.  Packages have been available on homeschoolbuyerscoop before, but I just buy a unit here and there as needed, through Currclick, for $4 – $8 each as a download and I print what we need.

    psreitmom
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    My daughter, who will be 13 this month, does not ‘get’ much math. The neuro-psychologist explained the different pathways of the brain. My daughter’s vertical pathways are on target age-wise, meaning, when given information, she can tell it back (memorizing). But, she doesn’t always ‘get’ the concept. Those are the horizontal pathways in the brain. She only tested at an 8yo level in that area. She doesn’t understand all the ‘whys’ in math, and doesn’t always understand the lesson or moral of a story, although she loves when I read to her (she has dyslexia, so she doesn’t do a lot of independent reading).

    For math, the recommendation was to focus on time/sequence, use of calculators (he said to table facts), checkbook math/money, and my evaluator also recommended measuring, which was something I had thought of myself. We need to focus on these areas because we want these struggling children to be able to survive on their own as adults. I would recommend, at 16 years old, these areas be focused on.

    I did paces in high school, so I am familiar with them. My evaluator was a supervisor in an ACE school for many years (the one I attended), and she is not a fan of the math, especially for someone struggling. We have Math On the Level. That uses real life math to teach concepts. It is pricey, but once you have it, you will not need to buy another math program. Personally, knowing what I know from the psychologist, I would work on those areas I mentioned. If he understands money, let him use a calculator to add or subtract for the checkbook. Don’t spend a lot of time having him practice on paper. My daughter is only 12, and this is what the doctor said to do with her. At 16, it is even more imperative that he be working on those areas that will help him as an adult. HTH

     

    Melanie32
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    I wonder if Math U See would be a good fit for him? The way it immerses the student in a single area of math for a whole year might help him to cement math conecpts.

    I used Miquon with my son when he was young and that worked well until we hit fractions and nothing seemed to help until we switched to Math U See. We started with Gamma because he hadn’t mastered multiplication yet. Both he and my daughter have done great with Math U See in the younger years but my son began to struggle again when he got to higher level math. We tried many different programs but none of them really seemed to help much. We worked our way through Algebra and Geometry but it was painful.

    Now my daughter is getting ready to start Algebra 1 and I am nervous but hopeful that we will have better results this time.

    Misty
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    thanks everyone – have been reading and pondering your thoughts and options.  We have been using math u see and it was fights every day.  So we stopped and he was just following in a checkbook (except he was doing the math himself no calculator).  I thought math u see caused problems until we did the checkbook.  You know how it goes one wrong answer and the rest is history.

    psreitmom – thank you for that insight.  Honestly that is what I am planning to do for this school year.

    Just real math, I think knowing math is very important and it should be ‘known’ but I am learning that God gave me a son who is never going to be able to do it that way so I am going to have to lower my standards for him (let him use the calculator) and be sure he can do a checkbook, pay bills, etc.  He’s a good cook and can follow a recipe so that is good and he has 2 days in the kitchen cooking: breakfast, lunch, dinner and dessert.  So I think in that way we are ok.

    Sonya – what are your thoughts on using Pet Shop Math for him? How would you proceed with it?  Would love your input and suggestions.

    Thanks again ladies!

    Misty

    Sonya Shafer
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    I’m not sure you would need it, Misty. If you think he might want to be a business owner one day and would benefit from a glimpse into the various math-related ideas an owner needs to understand, then, yes, one of the Your Business Math stores might be helpful to do (with or without a calculator, for him). If, however, you just want him to get used to paying bills, using a checking account, and balancing his budget, you might just have him apprentice with whichever parent does the family finances. If he worked alongside the parent responsible to pay the bills and such, he would get a good feel for what real-life expenses are like. And after apprenticing for a while, you might put him in charge of paying the family bills and tracking the family’s expenses and such to give him real-life responsibility. I don’t know if that idea would be suitable, since I don’t know your son, but thought I’d mention as a possibility.

    Misty
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    Thank you!

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