This is our first year homeschooling and while we lean heavily toward the CM method. I work outside the home 1 or 2 days per week and my mother takes over while I am at work. When she is teaching, we rely on textbook and worksheets to get him through the day. The other 4 days, I use math worksheets and hands-on math – kind of in a waldorf aspect – living books, Queen’s LLVY, 106 Days of Creation and I create picture study lessons for my 7 year old son. He spend K & 1st in public school & couldn’t focus due to add & adhd & some sensory issues.) I love the CM method with living books, copywork, short lessons, etc, but I find he is not absorbing much when we do not do the “read this text and fill out the worksheet” type of thing. Any suggestions on how to help him retain what he learns while staying in the CM method? (I am working through keeping on with CM method homeschooling or signing him up in the PA Cyber school using Calvert curriculum.) I am torn between wanting to implement the beautiful way CM students learn and being afraid that he will fall way behind in a few years.
Thoughts? Ideas on the best curriculum for us as we plan for next year (3rd grade)? Anyone else trying to put together a portfolio for a PA schood district using the CM method? (PA is rather demanding.)
How do you know he is not absorbing much with CM? Because there are no worksheets we rely on oral narrations. This is a skill that takes a while to get good at. How are his narrations? How are his reading and writing? Since those are skill based and math then that is where to watch if he falls back. Also how do you know that he really absorbed the material in the long run just because he answered a few questions on a worksheet? I do not know about PA but I do have ds8 in grade 3.
I live in PA. What kind of help do you need with your portfolio? You can add pictures of the things that he does for different subjects, samples of writing, and art work. If you let me know what you are having trouble with, I may be able to help you more.
I’m going to go out on a limb here. He may be “better” at textbooks & worksheets because you’re still letting him use them a couple of days a week. They are easier than a CM education. He may be (unconsciously, maybe) trying to get out of the harder work.
Case in point: My Sunday school class. Everyone goes to public school except my 2 girls. I have 3rd & 4th grades. They get textbooks & worksheets in school, but I teach Sunday school the CM way. We had a “talk” one day because they were bored and wanted worksheets. They are easier! Instead of having to think, they just spit back the info the teacher wants them to, and done. No longer need to care. But CM makes them use their brains, not just spit back what they think I want to know. It’s way harder! I have noticed their attitudes have started rubbing off on my 2 girls (thankfully only in Sunday school, not at home, too). They feign boredom now, too, but they want to draw or move around like at home, not do worksheets.
So that is what I see as a potential huge problem. Something to think about and worth examining closer, IMHO.
Thanks for the responses. Sarah, his narrations are pretty poor, but I expect it will improve as his listening skills are fine tuned. He reads 2 grades above level but his comprehension is rather low and his writing skills are average – creative writing is very difficult for him. Math is a bit of a challange as he has a difficult time comprehending how it works. I can tell that he obsorbs material from textbooks and worksheets because his answers are consistantly correct whereas with shorter lessons he seems to have a hard time retaining what he learned. Lynda, thanks. If you don’t mind, I will probably pm you with some questions as gt the portfolio organized – I don’t know anyone using the CM method & creating a portfolio. I am hoping my evaluator can help out as well. Sara B. – great insight! I never thought of text/worksheets being that much easier but as I read what you wrote I see that you are right. Unfortunately, since I have to work and my mom, who is 77, and not really in a position to lead him through the day in a CM way while she also cares for my 4 year old, I have to use some texts & worksheets or I cannot count the day in my 180 days of school. Do you find that it is repetition in the CM method that helps your girls absorb the concepts? Your response makes me think that I may not be repeating concepts (grammar, applied math, etc.) enough when using the CM method.
I agree that SaraB. made a very good point. I also want to add that some children have different learning styles. I think I would continue what Sara says and stop the worksheets for narration. However, if you wanted to use them for backup on science reveiw or a reveiw of what he already knows that would help you feel confident he is learning. You could do this with a hot dot pen and hot dots on laminated card pockets too. He would like the pen and dots and he could reveiw quickly. Just another thought but I know not all kids process the same when it comes to learning styles.
I also wanted to say that I had recently read an article that it may appear that some children may be behind other public school children for a few years but by the time they are in High School they are 3 years ahead of public school children. I thought I would add that just so you aren’t to worried about how he is learning.
You would not have to totally give up all worksheets in order to still use CM methods, but you might want to limit them more. Can he give you narrations when he sees you after work? We have used a few workbooks, but mostly we use the CM method and this is our 3rd year with living books and oral narrations. His narrations are getting rather lengthy now and I see his interest in history come alive in his playtime. Do you see comprehension in your son outside of school time? I would not expect any writing other than copywork. If you want to have him create his own story, he could dictate it to you or your mother to write or type and you could optionally have him do copywork based on that.
That is great that he is ahead on reading level. Comprehension is hard to “test”. This is where narration skills come in and where Sara B. says it is harder. They have to make their own connections with the material and then tell it to someone so they have to think more on it. Have you seen the suggestions on this site for narration? You might try some different things here. You could also try coloring books on the topic or drawing a picture and then he tells about it, or building.
What are you using for math? My son struggled a bit with math and it took us 3 curriculums before we found one that clicked with him. Does that need changing for your son? Math U See and RightStart are good CM methods, recommended on this site.
I hope you get it figured out soon. This forum is a great place to come to for help. Blessings.
Remember that Charlotte Mason’s focus was not on ‘retaining information’ but on gaining exposure to lots of living ideas so that the student can make connections and use what they were reading and learning in ways that are meaningful to them. This is what narration is all about. The teacher shouldn’t be deciding what is important and then trying to plant that into the student, which is what worksheets do. The STUDENT gets to decide what is important to them. If it’s important to them, it will be retained. At this age, the specific information is not important, it’s learning how to read, understand, and process information. If all they learn right now is to read and narrate, it is enough. In the long run, that will be far more valuable than retaining facts from a worksheet.
Perhaps you can find ways to make it possible for your mother to guide the CM activities. Here are some ideas I thought of that she might be able to handle, but you’ll know what works in your situation.
Copywork – should be done everyday, and can usually be fairly independent.
Math practice. Depending which curriculum you are using, you could do the teaching on days that you have him, and then assign practice activities for independent work.
Have your son read a book or listen to an audiobook, and then draw a picture narration. He could also speak a narration into a recording device; wait until he gets home to narrate to you; plan a puppet show to perform for you later, or if your mom has time, he could narrate (just tell the story) to her. In my mind, narrating is the key to the CM approach, so I would really find ways to make this your main lesson method. You could even design some notebooking pages that would be workbook-y enough to help your mom guide the lesson, but really be a form of narration. For example, we are using the Burgess Bird, Animal, and Seashore books as a main feature of our science. I’m designing a page where there is room for a picture, and then these headings: “Tell about the bird’s appearance” “Tell about where this bird lives” “Tell about this bird’s food” and “Tell about some interesting habits of this bird.” There are no ‘right’ answers, and not all sections must be filled everytime, but it gives some guidance for the narration. If that is too much writing for your son, maybe your mom can scribe for him. If you are doing plenty of narrating (ie. narrate everything!) when you are working with him, he should be able to begin translating that to what he is doing with your mom.
Maybe they could have ‘Tea Time’ together and read some poetry, listen to music from your composer, and look at a picture from your artist.
Cuddle together on the couch and read aloud some of his free reading books (or some of your mom’s favourites from childhood!)
Spend lots of time outside (weather permitting of course) and then come inside and make a nature journal entry about something they noticed. Or if you have a camera that the kids can use, they could take a picture of something and you can journal it together later.
I’m sure once you start thinking about it, you can come up with more ideas.
Good luck! It sounds like an amazing opportunity for your children to be building a relationship with their grandma!
Sarah, thanks for posting the links on narration. They will be very helpful. (I have been all over this website, I don’t know how I missed it.) Although we do frequent narration, he seems to draw a blank when I ask him to tell me about what we just read. I am printing off the narration bookmarks right away. I am going to read the excerpt from Sonya Shafer’s book on the train ride to work tomorrow.
jmac 17 Thank you so much for the ideas on ways I can help my mom lead my son in CM learning.
Sarah, thanks for posting the links on narration. They will be very helpful. (I have been all over this website, I don’t know how I missed them.) Although we do frequent narration, he seems to draw a blank when I ask him to tell me about what we just read. I am printing off the narration bookmarks right away. I will read the excerpt from Sonya Shafer’s book on the train ride to work tomorrow. Math is okay. We tried MathUSee and he just didn’t get it, so now we use a more Waldorf approach. Overall homeschooling is going well, I just am frustrated that I question how well he is doing with the CM method.jmac 17 Thank you so much for the ideas on ways I can help my mom lead my son in CM learning. I plan on implementing some of your ideas right away. Also, thank you for reminding me that it isn’t about retention, but about exposure especially at this age. I need to stamp that on my lesson plan book so I do not loose focus! We follow the CM method fairly close when I am home and I use text/worksheets when I am not home because it seemed easier for my mom, and I am afraid I will have to go back to work full time in the next year or two, but your last comment about it being an amazing opportunity for my children to build a relationship with my mom never occured to me. Thank you for that. She lives with us so I can model the CM method for her to make sure she is comfortable with narration & the how to aspect. She really enjoys reading Life of Fred and doing picture study with him. And you are right. If I don’t want to miss out on this wonderful opportunity to teach the whole child, then she probably doesn’t want to miss out either. Funny how this ah-ha moment for me seems to be so obvious, but never was for me.
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