Logic + Vocabulary Programs??

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  • Sharon
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    Bookworm,

    What Latin curriculum do you recommend? I currently have a 7th and 5th grader and I do have Rummy Roots and an older version of Latina Christiana I. I never used any of it since I started using a totally new curriculum last year and I wanted to focus on using it proficiently before tackling too much at one time. A friend also blessed me with “English from The Roots Up.” I also haven’t used it either.

    I would like to start Latin with my girls, especially my 7th grader who hasn’t had any Latin.  Any help you provide would be appreciated.

    God bless!

    Bookworm
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    Hi!

    I use Latin in the Christian Trivium.  It’s the third program we’ve tried, and I  love it.  http://www.latintrivium.com

    It has for us the perfect balance between a story line (nicely done–a Roman family who encounters Jesus) and grammar instruction, clear explanations, and on-line help.  Pronunciation CD’s, a book of games and activities for each level, are other fun things I really appreciate about it. 

     

     

    jojo
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    CJKJ: Thanks for the info i did check it out and it does look good for the 13 yr old for sure, not sure about the 12 yr old though (i just need a vocab for her), thanks again!

    Bookworm: The Fallacy Detective looks Great too!!thanks for the help!

    ALL:  Not sure about Latin,,so many to choose from! Ive been checking them out online today and just dont know where to start??  I see the above post and am checking that out too, any other good ones that are out there??

    The Rummy Roots looks Great!! will probably get it! thanks again

     

    Sharon
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    I just looked at Latin in the Christian Trivium and I liked it so far. I now have some other questions:

    1) Does the student have to have a good working knowledge of grammar before starting Latin? My 7th grade dd will be starting AG and completing 2 seasons and then completing it in 8th grade.

    2) At what grade should a student start this program? I checked out the S&S and it indicated around 12, but do you think it’s better in high school?

    3) If I wait and complete it in HS, then I could use it towards her college credit? I’m also planning to have my girls learn Spanish so I’m sure completing two foreign language credits for college shouldn’t be an issue if that’s the road the Lord has for her.

    4) Should I start and follow the Latina Christina program and then jump into LITCT in junior high for my younger dd (5th gr.)?

    Sorry for all of the questions. As I’m putting thoughts and plans on paper, I seem to have more questions.

    Thank you so much for recommending this program. I also like how it uses the Bible as it’s primary source and how it doesn’t emphasize on pagan myths (two thumbs up from me!).

    God bless!

    Bookworm
    Participant

    Hi, Sharon!

    1.  A good basic understanding of the parts of speech and direct vs. indirect object would be good.  The book does include some instruction in this also, introduced as needed.  So you don’t need to be a whiz, just know the difference between, say, a subject noun and an object noun, that sort of thing.

    2.  It is excellent in high school, but I begin it in fifth or sixth grade myself.  My middle son began this program in 5th grade.  We didn’t move QUITE as quickly at first as it recommends, to give him some time to adapt, but that’s OK.

    3.  I’m not sure what you mean about college credit?  You could certainly apply it to her high school transcript as credit, but there would be no way to get college credit for a course like this done at home, that I know of, except the possibility of testing out of levels when you get to college. 

    4.  One of the reaons I chose this program is I didn’t want to have to do one program and then change to another.  I had  thought of doing Latina Christiana and then moving into Henle, but I just wanted to do everything ONCE.  So, no, I don’t think that is necessary.  I think the only adaptation you need to make to this kid-friendly book is to move a little slower in the 5th or 6th grade than you might for high school.  It is not at all dull and dry like Henle, for example. 

    Hope this helps!  Ask me more questions if you like and also the authors will answer questions through the contact form on the Latin Trivium website.

     

    jojo
    Member

    Bookworm: I have been scoping out the Latin in the Christian Trivium vol1 and it looks awesome! I have a question on the grammar-what if she doesnt know some of grammar like you said above? Is there some things that are a must or does it teach it as it goes? will i need to do a grammer program too? will i need a vocabulary program then? Any other advice on getting started with this? thanks so much!!

     I just bought it used on vegsource for 66$!! Love a bargain!!  I cant wait to see it though!

    Blessings billiejo

    Bookworm
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    I love a bargain too!  Billiejo, there is some basic instruction in the first book.  Parts of speech, parts of sentences.  It would be enough to get you started but it would be good, if they don’t know it yet, to do some review of those things.  Pick a sentence out of one of their books a few times a week and write it up on the board and identify the subject, the predicate, the parts of speech of the various words, and identify subject nouns, direct object nouns, objects of prepositions.  That should help you out.

    I personally don’t teach “vocabulary” as a subject.  Your kids will be getting all the Latin derivatives you need–you know, those $10 words on the SAT–as they learn the Latin.  We also keep a lookout  here for words from Greek to pick up as well–we just pick them up as we read, look them up, and sometimes learn a Greek root or something like that.  I’d still consider having them bring you interesting words from their reading.  I’ve been known to “bribe” gently to get this done–little things like picking what subject they want next, or getting to pick their characters at Shakespeare reading first if they came up with the most interesting word, or having  them “help” Daddy by bringing him a “cool word from our readings for the day” at the dinner table . . . there are ways to make it fun!  And retention will be better IMO. 

    Please do make use of the online help if you need it at http://www.latintrivium.com  Did you get a pronunciation CD?  My kids think the guy’s voice is funny–kind of a monotone–but it’s helpful.  We make flashcard boxes for our words and review them every day.  Have fun!

    jojo
    Member

    Bookworm: Thanks so much for all the information! I will work on the vocabulary maybe tell them 3 words by the end of school day or something like that to start with and when i read aloud i can ask them which words stumped them and then look them up,, love the idea to “bribe” with getting to pick the next subject or “help daddy” sounds great!!

    I have their sight in my favorites and have been going to it since you posted about it and it def helps! I did get the CD with it also ! I got everything for vol I except overhead map sheets,,do you use those? And your idea for flashcard boxes is what i did with MFW ECC last year so we will do it that way with this for the year too!

    Thanks again, blessings Billiejo

    Rosebud6
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    Bookworm, I was intrigued by your Latin recommendation and was checking out the site.  I can see where the CD and activity sheets would be useful.  Is the Teacher’s Edition necessary/helpful?  Does it depend on how comfortable you are with teaching in general or is there information relevant to the Latin that is not in the student book?  Not so sure about the tests either.  Could you shed some light?

    Thank you,

    Jone

    Bookworm
    Participant

    Unless you are a  Latin expert, you’ll need the teacher edition–it has all the answers!  LOL  It also has additional info and teaching ideas and schedules. It’s IMO completely  necessary.  The tests are useful, I think, anyway.  I use them to gauge how much we are retaining and where we need more work, plus I am counting these as high school credit on transcripts.  I did just buy one set–they are copyrighted so that you can make copies in your home, so I buy one and make copies for my other students.  The activity book is more for fun, and is not critical.  The pronunciation CD’s are helpful, especially if you do not know Latin pronunciation.  If you’ve had Latin before and are familiar you may not need it.  The program uses Ecclesiastical pronunciation, which is what I was already most familiar with myself. 

    Rosebud6
    Member

    Bookworm,

    Thank you so much for your timely and helpful response. 

    Ok, it has been a very long time since I have logged on to the SCM website due to busyness and well, just life!  Recently, I have been stressing over what we have NOT yet covered in our homeschool (those darn vocabulary words haunt me!).  Thanks so much for the posts about latin, grammar, spelling and the like that have eased my mind and helped me to chill out a bit (thanks, Bookworm and everyone else for your sage advice).  I so love this forum and all of the “seasoned” homeschoolers…thanks!

    Andrea

    Carlsbad, CA

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