Literature: age appropriateness/difficulty? AO….

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  • momto2blessings
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    How do you all pick your literature?  I started with AO, so am used to comparing to that depth of literature.  It works great for my 3rd grader (9yo) so far….he’s fine with Y3 books, reading on his own, and enjoying them. My 6th grader is a different story.  Even using Y5 books (and she’s 12), she complains.  Here’s a sampling from Oliver Twist: “The matron expressed her entire concurrence in this intelligible simile.” Honestly, I have to read it a few times myself to figure out what it means:)  She said the 1st half of the book was o.k. (but didn’t particularly enjoy it).  She gives good, interesting narrations….but says that the narration sounds interesting, but not how it’s written.  She wants to quit half way through.

    But I let her quit Kidnapped 1/2 way through last year because she hated it, too.  She’s not a real avid reader…but maybe I’ve been giving her too difficult of books?  But how will she gain comprehension if she’s not challenged?  The AO free reads aren’t a problem, just the assigned daily lit.  She doesn’t like to buddy read. I don’t put a whole lot of stock in testing, but on the Iowa last year Reading Comprehension was her lowest score (low percentile, but grade level).  I have her do a weekly critical thinking/Reading Detective page to help with this.  Any thoughts?  I want her to love reading.  She mainly enjoys books that are about girls, animals, people’s lives.  She likes Little House, Anne of Greene Gables, liked Misty when younger…those types of books…but I can’t just let her read those!  Thanks for any input.  Blessings, Gina

    sheraz
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    Can she listen to it on audiobook while she follows along?  That way she hears/sees it in context, gets the story, can get invloved more emotionally and not have so much stress of trying to decode etc while she reads, and it is not “buddy reading”?  What is the final goal of her reading this book?  Can you tweak your goals a little – like she can finish it in 18 months, not 12?  

    What are the redeeming qualties of these books for YOUR daughter, other than AO said to read them?   If she is not interested in the story, there are others out there.  She could read the Little Women books or something she might enjoy more.  It’s still literature.

    I am going to say something a little on the heresy side – just because a book is a classic doesn’t mean it has/should be read.  (I am not necessarily talking about Kidnapped or Oliver Twist. I am thinking of a class in literature that I had in college – the books were trash, but “classics” so I got to submerge myself in what someone else thought I needed.  20 years later I still cringe when I hear the name of the book)

    Tecrz1
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    I don’t have older children but I did a Bible study with a friend who was not a strong reader and would ask me to read oub loud and she would follow along. She grasped so much more of the material that way. She was obviously an auditory learner. I have observed in my children that my middle child is a visual learner and can simply read the words and get it, but my oldest (while he can read fine and as you said enjoys books that he chooses) learns better if he hears it out loud and follows along. I think with more difficult literature it really enhances their understanding if this is their learning style. Perhaps you could try some audiobooks? This would also increase her reading ability as she hears the correct words being spoken as she follows along. I have another friend who listens to audiobooks a lot too and she is a very intelligent and well educated person who happens to be an auditory learner.

    Tara

    momto2blessings
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    Good points.  I keep meaning to try audio books, but am bad about getting around to making sure I have them around when needed.  I’ll have to give it a try.  I don’t think it has to be an AO book to be a good one….I just think the books are well chosen and it makes it easier for me to plan and feel like many classics are covered.  I pick free reads from both here and the AO list and put them in a basket for them to choose for before bed reading.  But assigned lit. for the school day is what’s giving her trouble…the lit. I want to challenge a bit. 

    Any opinions on appropriate age level for Oliver Twist and Kidnapped?  I think SCM lit. picks are very good ones, too and many are the same as AO, if I remember correctly…maybe just scheduled later and less of them?  We love the SCM history selections, and my dd does fine with them…even though reading several in the 7th-9th categories as a 6th grader.  Maybe I’m just pushing for rigor too much and stealing enjoyment?  Not sure.  Thanks!  Gina

    sheraz
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    I wasn’t knocking the AO lists, I have them and refer to them as well, but they are geared rather high.  I just think that slowing it down a bit and using the free audiobooks from librivox would help her enjoy it more.  =)

    Bookworm
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    I have used and had good success with the AO lists with my older two students.  They had no difficulty with the books at those ages.  BUT my third son is a bit different.  I have chosen to introduce some of the AO recommended books two years later than AO recommends–Oliver Twist, Kidnapped and Kim being some of them.  A little more reading exposure will make the books more intelligible. 

    I also have to say, moms, that you can help your children being able to read this level of literature.  Reading Shakespeare regularly out loud with your children and reading the King James Bible will make eighteenth and nineteenth century literature a piece of cake.  Just a thought. 

    I absolutely would NOT recommend completely skipping Oliver Twist OR Kidnapped; they are very fine works of literature and some of my favorite books.  Don’t let your children miss such gems completely.  If you have to wait a couple of years, that’s fine, but don’t beggar them by only having them read twentieth century literature or beyond.  It’s hard, I know, but you will be directly blessing your children AND your grandchildren. 

    Robinson Crusoe and Kim are other really truly great books that AO might have scheduled a bit young for some children.  Don’t miss them either, just bump them back a bit.  Or read them aloud; I’m so eager for my 11yo to get to Kim that I am going to read it aloud to him this winter, I can’t wait any longer.  Laughing

    Moms, it’ll also help if YOU add these books to your to-read lists if they are books you have not yet read.  I know it’s hard to find time, but just maybe including one of them a year will make it easier for you to be a resource to your children when they read them. 

    sheraz
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    I agree with you Bookworm, even if my previous posts don’t sound like it.  I DO NOT think that Kidnapped or Oliver Twist should be skipped – if they are too hard now, save them for next year.  I just think that we need to try to keep our children in mind and not so much the lists, or maybe I should say scheduling of those lists – my almost 12yo would probably collapse if I handed her one of those to read, she’s simply not quite ready.  She probably will be in a year or so.  If I slowed down the amount read and allowed her to follow along in a book for a set amount of time, she’d probably finish it at a much slower pace than recommended.  And I agree that being a real resource is important!

    I think that listening to the books while following along can greatly enhance a person’s comprehension.  I find that I enjoy several books more if I listen to them aloud, especially Shakespeare.  He just begs to be auditory! =)  I also agree with Tara about auditory learners.  Does it really make a difference if you read it silently or hear it aloud, as long as you are learning from it?

    Although, I think Gina’s question is basically this: if I replace the book, what do I use of equal challenge that she might enjoy more (and finish, lol) right now?  

     

    momto2blessings
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    Thanks for the reminders to not give up on books.  I wish I would have stopped the reading of them sooner, to save for later.  Dd just asked to read A Christmas Carol instead of Oliver Twist, so I’m letting her for Christmas, and since it’s short. Then need to decide whether to finish Oliver Twist now or later….

    I think my son fares better because we started difficult literature earlier with him, being the youngest.  He had no problem reading the old English of Robin Hood when 8 (after I had read to both…he just really loved it…probably would never had picked it up otherwise!) But my dd just doesn’t like the ‘old’ stuff unless it’s a story she’s really drawn to.  But I do think she’s recognizing quality lit.  I let her read Soul Surfer (as extra, not school) and she commented it wasn’t written that well. 

    Thanks for all the suggestions.  I guess I need to just stick with it and save some for later….and maybe try some audio along with her reading.  Thanks!  Gina

    my3boys
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    My oldest is 12 and if I had not started reading aloud or using audiobooks with him, I don’t know where we’d be with the reading/comprehension process.  He is definitely an audio/hands on learner.  He has such difficulty decoding words and would miss out on so much (that he actually enjoys) if I did not read to him or have several audiobooks to choose from.  Now he does read alot to himself but for the lit, like A Christmas Carol, which we’re reading right now, I find he gains much more pleasure having it read to him. 

    Now my middle boy prefers both (depends on the book/time of day, etc).  He usually comprehends best when he reads to himself, but since he’s on the young side (he’s still into imaginary friends, etc.) he’s not quite ready for most lit geared for his age.  I read aloud to both of them and use many audiobooks to cover more ground and learning styles.  

    I don’t want to say that I’m glad that they need me to read to them so much, but I will say that I enjoy our time together.  It does give us more reasons to be together, and the years are slipping by so fast, sigh.

    Bookworm
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    Yes, doing another Dickens NOW like A Christmas Carol is a very good idea.  Another option would be to choose another Dickens for reading aloud.  Reading nineteenth century literature is a skill.  Many otherwise very strong readers struggle at first.  But every exposure, every book read/heard increases the ability to read other literature of the type.  I know lots of people, myself included, who were daunted at first when encountering Dickens or Kipling or Austen, and it is a matter of practice.  Read this stuff and it becomes first easier, then no problem, then a joy, to read. 

    If you want to save Oliver Twist for later reading on own, perhaps a lovely one like Great Expectations (another favorite of mine) would work, or even David Copperfield.  I know it’s very, very long, which can be off-putting, but it is by FAR the  most accessible, easiest to read Dickens there is.  And my personal vote for the Best Novel Ever.  Smile

    my3boys
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    We also love to listen to the Lamplighter Series of audiobooks (haven’t read any yet, just listened) and they’re always set in some time period in the past, it seems anyway.  My kids love to listen to those, especially my oldest. And, they seem to have some Old English going on…correct me if I’m wrong, ladies, pleaseEmbarassed.  We just finished Sir Malcolm and the Missing Knight and my kids loved it, although it seemed shorter than Charlie’s Choice, it was still wonderful.  I’m ready for another one, but we have One Wintry Night in audio and my kids want to listen to that for now.

     

    blue j
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    It is my understanding that AO yr 5 is not necessarily equivalent to grade 5 reading level.  If I remember correctly, this is true for level 4 and up as level 3 and under are meant to be read together anyway.  Also, there is nothing that says that you can’t read them together. You read a paragraph and she reads one, or you can just read it aloud to her, or as the others have said, and audio recording.  Whatever is most convenient for your family. 

    The girls have enjoyed Dickens and are both avid readers, I have always aimed the bar quite high in literature, but should also say the girls are avid readers and are huge CS Lewis fans and have been reading him for years – those who do not like reading as much may need to wait a little, but Dickens is a wonderful writer and hopefully they will enjoy him later if not now. The only books my girls really did not like were Treasure Island and Moby Dick, but everything else they have really enjoyed. As Bookworm says, as a parent I think it is important that I have read these books as well – for me I had Shakespeare and Dickens and Chaucer in high school in England, so I just needed to jog my memory, but it does help if you are familiar with some of the books. So my suggestion would be, put it aside if she is having a really hard time with it, choose something else – but then you read it now, so that later when she comes back to it, you will have the familiarity. I would not let her skip too many books though, that can make a lazy reader….she should be challenged a little and we often in life have to do things we don’t enjoy:)))

    lgeurink
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    momto2blessings
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    Thanks to all for the many helpful suggestions!  I think I need to encourage her to stick with it more, but be prudent on our choices.  Thanks for the Librivox link and sharing how that’s helped.  I never think to do it, though I hear good things:) I appreciate the other Dicken’s book rec. for now…I own them both and would be easy substitutions.  And Lamplighter….she has one that’s never been read because it’s not on our ‘list,’ so thanks for the reminder!!  And thanks for the (challenging) reminder that I should be reading these, too….dd just told me that *I* should read Oliver Twist….LOL:)  Thanks again to all!!!  Blessings, Gina

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