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May 12, 2015 at 12:11 pm
waynesweakervessel
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I’d like to hear from anyone that uses Life of Fred for math exclusively, with nothing else added. We currently use MUS with a 2nd, 3rd, & 4th grader – Beta, Gamma, and Delta. I’m contemplating switching them all to Life of Fred and ONLY Life of Fred. Am I crazy? I would do the honey cards and I am capable of adding additional practice problems if I had to but will I have to? I currently have the first 10, Apples thru Jellybeans at my house to peruse (borrowing from a friend) before I buy.
May 12, 2015 at 12:19 pm
MrsB
Participant
We switched from MUS in Epsilon over to LOF. I would highly, strongly, absolutely advise against it. We started LOF in decimals and went all the way through Algebra. I didn’t realize how badly my son was doing. That was my fault, I thought he was doing fine, and with many littles, I just wasn’t checking up on him as he needed me to.
We’ve had to redo pre-algebra and algebra in various other curriculum. He is now 16 (going to be 17 in July) and is still in Saxon Algebra 1. He finished LOF algebra 1 at 14yo, and we still can’t get him past the serious holes and gaps that he has.
Obviously, that’s just anecdotal, but I would never, ever use LOF as a stand-alone again. I probably won’t even use it as a supplement, because really, what’s the point of doing two math curricula?
I’m sorry if that is a doom and gloom outlook. I hope you get lots and lots of feedback, so you can figure out what is best for your child. Math is one of those areas where you do not want to switch curriculum unless you can’t help it. That’s what causes holes. We hated, hated MUS, because it was getting so slow and boggy. I wish we had stayed with Singapore. We had used it for 1st and 2nd grade, then switched to MUS for three years. Anwyay, math needs to be taught with as much consistency as possible. The jumping around can really hinder a student’s comprehension.
May 12, 2015 at 1:29 pm
pslively
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I think it depends on what your goals are and whether or not you are willing to completely rethink math. I had a similar experience to MrsB. Two of my kids worked through Fractions and Decimals after doing other curricula for their previous years. They had a lot of trouble with the books and a lot of frustration.
We were at the point of dropping Fred completely. But I was so convinced that his methods are sound and that self-teaching is the best way to learn. I decided to try one more book. We got the Elementary Physics book and I worked through that with them. This is NOT what the author recommends. But I knew that my kids needed to learn how to learn that way. Every single day they read the chapter on their own, then did the problems, then we discussed so that I could make sure they were understanding. This necessitated me also working through the book so that I could guide them as needed. More than once, we had to back up and re-learn lessons. They each started keeping a small math notebook where they could write down formulas, rules, etc. that they would need to know in future. Let me tell you, that book is hard. After that I decided we would switch to Teaching Textbooks or something. By this time, however, my kids wanted to keep on trying with Fred. So they worked through Pre-Algebra with Biology and now are almost done with Pre-Algebra with Economics. I am happy to say that they are both doing great now. There are no more tears and frustration. So far. They have done these two books entirely on their own.
I think they had to figure out for themselves that you MUST learn the lesson before moving on. If you move on without understanding, you are going to be lost a few lessons down the road. A couple of weeks ago, my 8th grader said that math was actually becoming enjoyable now that she understands it.
Meanwhile, my younger 3 are working through the elementary series. My almost 6th grader my almost 4th grader will finish working through the series in the next year and then we will move on to Fractions. Because they have been working through the whole series, I really don’t anticipate any problems as they move into the higher books. They know the teaching style and they are getting such a GREAT introduction to the higher maths. My soon to be second grader is about halfway through Farming. I am amazed almost daily at how these younger kids actually think mathematically. I feel very good about the instruction they’re receiving from LOF. My youngest has done nothing except LOF preceded by the first two Miquon books and I am so impressed with his math thinking skills. (I’m not bragging on him, but on Fred. I think it’s all due to what he’s learned in LOF.)
I have decided that when the older two finish this last pre-algebra book, I want them to quickly read through the elementary series before moving on. As I read through the books with my younger ones, I am so impressed with the way Stan Schmidt teaches them these really abstract and difficult concepts in a way that even my 6 year old understands. I want that for my older kids as well. I think it is worth taking the time to go through them before they start algebra.
My oldest daughter, who is now in college, was my guinea pig. We tried lots of different maths. I completely agree with MrsB that skipping around is so bad. I do think that just about any math curriculum will work for anyone if you are consistent with it. That said, LOF is the best I’ve ever seen. It accomplishes my goals – that my kids like math, that they see beauty in it, that they understand what they are doing, and that they realize that math is more than just a school subject they have to get through.
For what it’s worth, I do have one friend who is just a little ahead of us in LOF and her son has been using it exclusively since Fractions and they are having success also. I think there is a learning curve that you have to work through. It was almost a paradigm shift for us.
May 12, 2015 at 3:26 pm
MrsB
Participant
I think pslively is right on. If you love his ideas and methods, and are willing to completely work with your children (and yourself) through the books, then they will teach mathematical thinking. 🙂
I just was unable to do that for my oldest, and I can’t foresee having the time to devote to it now. Though, upon pslively’s suggestion, I may work through the books that we do have this summer to see what I can gain from them, as a teacher.
May 12, 2015 at 8:19 pm
nebby
Participant
My son has done wonderfully with just LOF. My dd doesn’t. I really think it depends on the kid.
Nebby
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May 12, 2015 at 8:25 pm
mrsmccardell
Participant
Nebby, do you mean their learning style? And how soon would you know if it’s a good fit if you are starting at the beginning with a 7yo?
May 12, 2015 at 9:10 pm
petitemom
Participant
It didn’t work for us. I wanted it to work, love the idea and thought my oldest (8th grade) would do better w/the approach since he kept getting stuck. We ended up spending so much time going back (as Mr. Schmidt recommended) and making our way back to Fraction. Once we got to Fraction he asked me if we could drop all the stories and just do math. We are back w/MUS and sticking to that. I find he really needs the repetition, he needs the worksheets.
I am using it as a supplement for my math loving 7 year old.
May 13, 2015 at 10:19 am
retrofam
Participant
My children did better with Fred as a supplement, using them as math literature.
I think that children who struggle with math will have gaps regardless of whether they switch curriculum or not. If the child is frustrated and bored, especially when working independently, their mind is going to wander. I have seen many times where a curriculum switch can save the day. It is OK to learn to do things several different ways. Each child is different, and through prayer and observation, we can figure out what each needs. I have one child who does not do well learning math independently.
Hth!
May 13, 2015 at 11:55 am
anniepeter
Participant
I would second retrofam’s opinion on switching curriculum. I see the concern about gaps, and you definitely have to check the scope and sequence and be sure you are choosing the right level. But to keep slogging along through something that just isn’t working and doesn’t speak your child’s language can be demoralizing. They do have to learn to just work hard and do it, but if they are struggling to follow and understand the teaching style besides the content, it can seem insurmountable. With one child we did Saxon, teaching textbooks, and math u see… And I would do it over again. I was glad for every change. And no, that child still hasn’t done algebra 2, but he got through level one pretty happily… And that was real progress!! Unfortunately he still feels like math isn’t really his thing. I think we could have avoided that. So my only regret is that I didn’t find the right one sooner. But if I’d never switched… It would’ve been much worse.